formatzero Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Does anyone know if electricity companies change their cheap rate electricity times when clock times are changed for summer and winter times?If you have your own time clock for heating this could be important as you could be paying more for power! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 Economy 7 meters or 2 rate (day and night readings) are pre set, however the times do vary from supplier to supplier, i.e. 11pm to 7am or 11:30pm to 7:30am. So it makes sod all difference, the time bindings should never change at the supplier. EDIT: Stand corrected based on below post, when I worked for BG it was a straight forward set time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I've got Economy 7, the cheap rate is 23:45 till 07:45 GMT and 0:45 till 08:45 BST, the hot water controller has a Summer/Winter setting that needs to be manually set. If you have Total Control, then SSE or Scottish Power control the time via a radio tele-switch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 The eco 7 on off times are by means of a carrier signal broadcast on BBC Radio 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 I alway wonder this as I have a old meter but they charge me cheap and normal rate which would be impossible to calculate . But certainly dont trust the new ones , I mean who would give away a new meter and fit it for free with no incentive ? That just does not make good business sence to me ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Maybe it's a go faster stripe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 The system my daughter has is Economy 10 but the time switch for heating is not controlled by the electricity company they simply switch their meter from high to low rate and you have to match your heating controls to these times.Guess I need to phone them and see what the score is ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 The times for the Hydro board's Economy 10 are on here: http://www.albynhousing.org.uk/assets/0000/0709/Scottish_Hydro_Electric_Economy_10.pdf 04:30 - 07:30 13:30 - 16:30 20:30 - 0:30 These times are GMT as far as I know, so your daughter may have to change the times on the heating controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 The eco 7 on off times are by means of a carrier signal broadcast on BBC Radio 4. Not in Scotland they aren't, Scottish Power and SSE use timers for Economy 7, and have their own radio controlled tariff called Total Control which gives a variable boost in the afternoon and evening depending on the demand for electricity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 It's all a scam anyway having on peak, off peak and other random crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 The times for the Hydro board's Economy 10 are on here: http://www.albynhousing.org.uk/assets/0000/0709/Scottish_Hydro_Electric_Economy_10.pdf 04:30 - 07:30 13:30 - 16:30 20:30 - 0:30 These times are GMT as far as I know, so your daughter may have to change the times on the heating controller. OK thanks for the info:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 It's all a scam anyway having on peak, off peak and other random crap Not really, Economy 7 or 10 meters are specificly designed for people with storage heaters, the store energy/ charge during off peak times. 7 & 10 meters have other uses, so no way in the slightest are they a scam. Even folk that that have got rid of their storage heaters still opt to keep the 7 & 10 meters if the use washer/dryer/dishwasher a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Not really, Economy 7 or 10 meters are specificly designed for people with storage heaters, the store energy/ charge during off peak times. 7 & 10 meters have other uses, so no way in the slightest are they a scam. Even folk that that have got rid of their storage heaters still opt to keep the 7 & 10 meters if the use washer/dryer/dishwasher a lot. I use it for the above reasons - well the washing machine anyway. We have storage heaters but never - ever - have them on. They chew through electricity like nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Not really, Economy 7 or 10 meters are specificly designed for people with storage heaters, the store energy/ charge during off peak times. 7 & 10 meters have other uses, so no way in the slightest are they a scam. Even folk that that have got rid of their storage heaters still opt to keep the 7 & 10 meters if the use washer/dryer/dishwasher a lot. It is a scam, we've had peak and off peak charges for gas and electricity for decades. All designed to charge more when more people are at home using equipment. It has no direct effect on what time the energy or gas is produced, or stored via the Companies. And the fact that all companies have many different tariffs is another scam and a joke. It's only been recently that ofcom have turned round and said it needs to be easier for the consumer. There should not be any peak and off peak charges, especially in today's age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 It is a scam, we've had peak and off peak charges for gas and electricity for decades. All designed to charge more when more people are at home using equipment. It has no direct effect on what time the energy or gas is produced, or stored via the Companies. And the fact that all companies have many different tariffs is another scam and a joke. It's only been recently that ofcom have turned round and said it needs to be easier for the consumer. There should not be any peak and off peak charges, especially in today's age. Decade (non plural) barring economy meters 2 rates for gas and electric were brought in just after the gas and electric market opened up in 1998. This was to say that there were not going to be any standing charges. Some companies still stuck with single rate tariff and standing charge just before 2010. Single let rate has come back, as you quite rightly said the regulator (Ofgem not Ofcom by the way ) said it was too confusing. Scam is also a strong word to describe tariffs, but we all know the big six (well excluding NPower as they are skint) make a profit, but when I worked for BG the only people that they/companies made a profit on where people not in debt, and the profit they made on average per year per customer was just a shade over £5 for a duel fuel customer. Although Centrica made over a billion in profit the BG arm made a small contribution to that, and the bulk of its profits (BG) came from the services side of things (boiler breakdown etc) We all know that you can get cheaper energy away from the big six, but there operating costs a minimal compared to the big six, hence why the obvious larger tariffs. But consumers won't take a punt on the smaller companies, if they did, the market would be even more competitive. But I agree with your statement of it being a scam on it makes no difference when it is made, but on the other side of the coin is those storage heater systems are horrendously expensive to run hence the 2 rate meters. Alas, whatever way you look at it, energy prices are still high, but I think maybe still lower than in 1998. But you cannot cut them with massive impact and monumental job losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Westcoaster has kindly listed the times i was looking for,just wondered how many people could be unaware of the need to change their timeswitch , this could result in a tidy profit for providors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Westcoaster has kindly listed the times i was looking for,just wondered how many people could be unaware of the need to change their timeswitch , this could result in a tidy profit for providors. Yes it will be, but if they are advertised/easy to get hold of i.e. website or phoning supplier if worried then the supplier is deemed as being as upfront about it as possible. Then it will be down to the consumer to actually change their own times witch is in their own property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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