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Is it me or is this skyline severely over priced?


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Was just casualy browsing to find a new car to target my energies and savings accounts towards over the next 9 months and was looking at an R35 when i came across this R34:-

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-Nissan-Skyline-2-6-GT-R-R34-TWIN-TURBO-GTR-HUGE-SPEC-500bhp-Dyno-/262198007788?hash=item3d0c3817ec:g:vLwAAOSw5IJWdAlz

 

can anyone justify for me as to why?! why that r34 is asking £40,000?! :blink: :taped:

 

whilst having a look i saw the prices on some GTR's R34 and R33 as very high in my opinion because the supra is all round a better drivers car and a lot cheaper.....

 

whats the general feel on this forum towards the r33 - r34 vs the supra tt.

 

dont worry guys ill be back with a single turbo supra and wont be buying a skyline even if hell freezes over....:D

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Probably similar reasons that the air-cooled 911's are worth way more than the later water cooled ones. Some won't like the V6, Paddleshift nature of the R35, and to them, the R34 GTR will be the best of the breed.

 

I'd have an R34 GTR over an R35 if it was a garage Queen, but for a daily drive the R35 will be a better car. I think that some of the GTR magic was lost when they moved to a V6 though, the RB was an impossible act to follow, much like Toyota will find if they do a new Supra.

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WAT? no mate, they are too boring to drive, i hate 4WD!

 

The GTR's from the R32 to the R35 don't feel like regular AWD cars though. They have a heavy rear torque bias, so they feel like a RWD car, only shoving it to the front wheels when necessary. It's an excellent system to be fair.

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I would also snap swap my Supra for an R34, especially that one, i'd swap my Supra and a hefty amount of cash too :rolleyes:

 

Personally I wouldn't. They're nowhere near as well built, they rust a lot, the engines are weaker, they cost much more to run, the interiors aren't as nice (especially in the R33) and theres GTR tax on all tuning parts.

 

But I'd love an M-spec NUR in Millennium Jade sat alongside the Supra in a dream garage. :cool:

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Stock bodied, ultra clean R34GTR's are most definitely going up in price, but it has to be a genuinely nice car, there are some rot boxes around.

Engine mods have to be top rate using quality parts, too. The ideal engine is one done on a new Moitorsport block with a billet crank and the lovely

Tomei oil pump. Or a long stroker OS Giken RB315 :) To me that one is ludicrously overpriced though.

 

http://www.osgiken.net/products.php?Category=nissan&SubCat=skyline&product=other&submit.x=53&submit.y=10

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Im still thinking about R34's even if there not as reliable as the Supras. Though the prices they want for them and costs to modify them I might as well carry on with my Supra. there shooting up in prices I kinda wished I brought one 5 years ago when I had the chance. There definitely a good investment that's for sure

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Personally I wouldn't. They're nowhere near as well built, they rust a lot, the engines are weaker, they cost much more to run, the interiors aren't as nice (especially in the R33) and theres GTR tax on all tuning parts.

 

But I'd love an M-spec NUR in Millennium Jade sat alongside the Supra in a dream garage. :cool:

 

thats my entire point, when i was single on my supra a friend of mine had a skyline running the same power, in 4 years my car had nothing except oil changes, tyres and brakes, my pals skyline had to have 3 engine changes and we wouldnt batter the skyline anywhere near as much as i abused my supra.

 

also again yes his car did eventually have a few rust patches and the car all round needed work eventually with problems constantly popping up.

 

supra is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better built, stronger and come on folks ten times better looking.

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Im still thinking about R34's even if there not as reliable as the Supras. Though the prices they want for them and costs to modify them I might as well carry on with my Supra. there shooting up in prices I kinda wished I brought one 5 years ago when I had the chance. There definitely a good investment that's for sure

 

I would never buy a hobby car as an investment. To start with, the annual running costs could easily negate any rise in value, and you would always be afraid of using it for fear of putting miles on it, getting superficial damage etc.

 

Buy a nice car, drive it, and if it goes up in value then that's a bonus, but cars are rarely investment material unless they become static museum prices.

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I had a customers R33GTR run a big end when being mapped. Compared to rebuilding a 2JZ-GTE the parts cost and much more significantly the LABOUR costs are far greater for the Skylines. Unless the engine is built right with great care on bearing clearances and ONLY using a new or un-ground crank, it WILL give trouble. Being a smaller capacity on throttle bodies they don't have anything like the torque of the 3 litre 2JZ units, so need revving. Revs wear engines and put a lot of strain on things. The current idea of converting them to variable cam timing makes a big difference, and can even be done with the engine in situ. But it's all more money. The 32 and 33 gearboxes are a bit weak, they soon have synchro or bearing issues, especially behind modded engines. Without a ramp many jobs are a total nightmare. In fact working on them is a general PITA. That said and done a good one with everything tight and right that's not been lowered, on good dampers and tyres is a joy to drive and amazing in the wet. IMO a Supra is far better made and more durable. if you buy a cheap Skyline, R32 / R33 /R34 or current shape you will pay dearly making it a proper thing. the current shaped ones are massively costly to fettle, things like transmission failure can run into 10K quite easily. A front impact can cost a fortune, there's a lot of "stuff" in a very vulnerable place. Doesn't take much for an insurance company to write one off...

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I had a customers R33GTR run a big end when being mapped. Compared to rebuilding a 2JZ-GTE the parts cost and much more significantly the LABOUR costs are far greater for the Skylines. Unless the engine is built right with great care on bearing clearances and ONLY using a new or un-ground crank, it WILL give trouble. Being a smaller capacity on throttle bodies they don't have anything like the torque of the 3 litre 2JZ units, so need revving. Revs wear engines and put a lot of strain on things. The current idea of converting them to variable cam timing makes a big difference, and can even be done with the engine in situ. But it's all more money. The 32 and 33 gearboxes are a bit weak, they soon have synchro or bearing issues, especially behind modded engines. Without a ramp many jobs are a total nightmare. In fact working on them is a general PITA. That said and done a good one with everything tight and right that's not been lowered, on good dampers and tyres is a joy to drive and amazing in the wet. IMO a Supra is far better made and more durable. if you buy a cheap Skyline, R32 / R33 /R34 or current shape you will pay dearly making it a proper thing. the current shaped ones are massively costly to fettle, things like transmission failure can run into 10K quite easily. A front impact can cost a fortune, there's a lot of "stuff" in a very vulnerable place. Doesn't take much for an insurance company to write one off...

 

Jesus !

 

Think I will stick with the Supra since the only part that failed in 10 years is a wheel bearing lol

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I had a customers R33GTR run a big end when being mapped. Compared to rebuilding a 2JZ-GTE the parts cost and much more significantly the LABOUR costs are far greater for the Skylines. Unless the engine is built right with great care on bearing clearances and ONLY using a new or un-ground crank, it WILL give trouble. Being a smaller capacity on throttle bodies they don't have anything like the torque of the 3 litre 2JZ units, so need revving. Revs wear engines and put a lot of strain on things. The current idea of converting them to variable cam timing makes a big difference, and can even be done with the engine in situ. But it's all more money. The 32 and 33 gearboxes are a bit weak, they soon have synchro or bearing issues, especially behind modded engines. Without a ramp many jobs are a total nightmare. In fact working on them is a general PITA. That said and done a good one with everything tight and right that's not been lowered, on good dampers and tyres is a joy to drive and amazing in the wet. IMO a Supra is far better made and more durable. if you buy a cheap Skyline, R32 / R33 /R34 or current shape you will pay dearly making it a proper thing. the current shaped ones are massively costly to fettle, things like transmission failure can run into 10K quite easily. A front impact can cost a fortune, there's a lot of "stuff" in a very vulnerable place. Doesn't take much for an insurance company to write one off...

 

wow, thanks for that Chris. very educating as usual from the Guru.

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Well, you get the looks with much greater mechanical simplicity. You can tune them from mild to wild, my GTS-t has an all steel GTR engine in it, and it's err, "quite lively" ;) Oversteer is but a prod of throttle away! You do need to drop the compression though, either with low compression forged pistons, or a thick head gasket. I have a freshly built lovely engine that would drop right in, should do an easy 450 BHP. Steel rods, Apexi cams, HKS cast manifold (brand new) Garrett single turbo, proper wastegate, forged pistons, big injectors. I even have a good base map for an Apexi Power FC for it..... Build thread here:

 

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/128775-quick-rb25det-engine-build.html

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Just to balance this thread out a little, the R32 - R34 GTR's have a massive redeeming feature :)

 

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As much as I love the 2JZ, the RB26 is the nicest sounding turbo straight 6 around IMO.

 

Agreed, such a good noise - clean and powerful. Supras sound like boats in comparison

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