BoostJunky86 Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hello all. I'm after some advice. Looking at a car with a SARD K27 single turbo conversion. Anyone have any info on them. Any good? Characteristics Est. power on a standard engine? TIA Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 If the manifold cracks, can you still buy a replacement? If the turbo is failing, or fails, can you replace or rebuild it? Same for wastegate. These are far more important questions when buying a car with a rare (in the UK) turbo kit. Ask the same about clutches, LSD's and dampers. This thread has some info: http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?161426-K27-based-T3-turbo If it's a genuine KKK turbo and not some Jap hybrid made under licence, it possibly can be rebuilt. I would imagine it's on the sensible size of medium, IYSWIM? Not so big as to be laggy as hell, not so small as to be no better, and perhaps worse, than OE sequential twins. A turbo is only as good as its supporting mods, like cams, compression, overall engine condition, ECU and mapping. What ECU is in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Hi Chris, Thanks for advice, I see your point, but my point of view on that was being rare I need to make sure there's support available, But if I bought a standard car if only upgrade those parts anyway I think? Does that make sense? Is it a fair way of looking at it? IE manifold. Well if it cracks then I'll replace it. There's probably better items available anyway I guess. Turbo the same. 6266 looks good haha! I know very little on engine specs currently I'm looking into the car as we speak and awaiting its final checks and mapping now it's in the UK. Also IYSWIM? Not sure what that stands for sorry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Also IYSWIM? Not sure what that stands for sorry? If You See What I Mean Do you have a link to the car you are looking at? Is it a fresh import or already in the UK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's at SVA Thanks Frank. That clears that up haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 This is the car in question I believe http://www.svaimports.com/cars/stock/supra-rz-2/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 This is the car in question I believe http://www.svaimports.com/cars/stock/supra-rz-2/ Still running MAF with recirc by the looks of it, possibly still on stock ECU, no mention of fuel control, injectors or upgraded pump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 ^ This is why posting links to cars is important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike2JZ Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Bodykit information also isn't accurate. I believe cwest v2 front bumper, oem spats and maybe top secret side skirts. SVA is just down the road from me, if you are serious about buying this car and would like me to go down and get more info or come see it with you then lemme know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Bodykit information also isn't accurate. I believe cwest v2 front bumper, oem spats and maybe top secret side skirts. AbFlug front bumper & hood/bonnet, Bomex sideskirts and VeilSide rear spats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Already been discussed in this thread http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?331449-Advice-on-a-Supra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's due for mapping and Dyno runs to make sure all is well very shortly apparently. Not sure on injectors, fuel control or pump. It's running E-manage ECU apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 21, 2016 Author Share Posted March 21, 2016 Still running MAF with recirc by the looks of it, possibly still on stock ECU, no mention of fuel control, injectors or upgraded pump Any issues with still running MAF and Recirc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 To bring the ecu up to modern standards will cost a goodly amount of dash, including mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 This is the car in question I believe http://www.svaimports.com/cars/stock/supra-rz-2/ Whats that turbo pipework all about?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think it's because they have kept the MAF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Any issues with still running MAF and Recirc? I would assume that's why the recirculating has been done post maf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I think it's because they have kept the MAF. Its a crazy way to go about it, rather than getting say, an HKS bov with a recirc adaptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Its a crazy way to go about it, rather than getting say, an HKS bov with a recirc adaptor. It's certainly different, bit of a mad scientist thing going on. If it allows you to run without a BOV I can understand why they have set it up like this although I'd imagine there are easier ways to run without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Its a crazy way to go about it, rather than getting say, an HKS bov with a recirc adaptor. Was that that's at to do say 8 or so years ago. As it seems for what people have said it's an old kit and ECU. So likely to have been built specced a while back Which gives me a little confidence in the fact it's lasted. How many miles its actually covered is another story. But looking at the fact it's got 2-piece front discs. Front wheels condition would suggest potentially aggressive compound pads, blue and smouldered edges on tyres with fairly agressive camber(from looking at obviously I've no idea what it's running. And what's agressive on Supras for that matter) It looks to have been driven hard. Or being used as a track car. But no cage. Just a rear brace across the top or rear seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 It's certainly different, bit of a mad scientist thing going on. If it allows you to run without a BOV I can understand why they have set it up like this although I'd imagine there are easier ways to run without. What benefits are there to run without a BOV or recirc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 To bring the ecu up to modern standards will cost a goodly amount of dash, including mapping. Does it need updating straight away? What options would you suggest instead buddy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I would fit a MOTEC ecu and have it properly mapped, assuming the engine is basically sound. If it's been run mad rich due to poor mapping or an incompetent ecu currently fitted it will probably need a rebuild first. Others favour Syvecs ecu's on Supras and other engines. There are cheaper options, but factor all this into the bid price. I still think it's ludicrously overpriced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoostJunky86 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Being new to Supras, Ive no idea really what feels right price wise. But I get the feeling they're not gonna drop much. 17k at a push. Who would nap Motec? I know someone in the EVO world for Motec. But not Supras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 There are dozens of competent MOTEC mappers, and a 4 stroke piston engine is a 4 stroke piston engine, nothing different about the Supra one, especially a single turbo one. I have personally used Fraser MacKellar and Dave Rowe for mapping various MOTEC ecu'd engines, but there are MANY more. If these guys are trusted mapping this sort of stuff I guess they should just about manage a Supra https://www.youtube.com/user/EPSDaveRowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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