MaveriK Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 That's because hes the voice of a leader and no beating around the bush, he says, he does and get it done! Something of which our PM lacks, unless you are a fan of something like Fox hunting.. People will disagree with me but that's why he had over 8 mil votes and I know many people wanted to vote him but votes conservatives just so labor wouldn't win! During the election we always hear how parties will do this.... and make that better, but where would the money come from to do this? Taxes, but they wouldn't say. When Ukip were up and the expenses for the improving services like hospitals ect, Nigel Farage made it clear it would be pulling from the EU is were the money would come from and we will save BILLIONS!! about £118billion per year to be more accurate Out of the EU all way!!! Imagine that £118 billion going into schools and the emergency services, VAT could be lowered which UKIP wanted to do. Lets see Britain somewhat Britain again! And let our leaders decide what is best for the UK not some board of douchbags I do like most, if not all, of what he says. Would he be able to deliver though is the only worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Why would these treaties still be valid when England is outside the EU? The change of status wil make them null and void. That will be the UK out of EU if I can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interesting to see how the vote is going, it was virtually unanimous in the pub the other night with all but one person saying they will vote to get out with one undecided Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 IN ! And the reason being ive driven hgv 1 all over Europe carring every type of product from, hazardous liquids in bulk ( tankers ) , to fresh fish , poultry , lamb etc etc. ( in fridge trailers ) , and all in between .I have witnessed first hand the amount of trade that is exported to Europe , and of course we import a great deal of materials that are brought into the UK not only by foreign drivers , but by British drivers on their return load . Now the amount of UK workers all over Britain that work in industry will see a lowering in wages , as its my opinion that the rest of the EU will look to other countries to supply their needs , thus keeping trade within the boundries of the Eu , which if voted to leave Europe we would lose out in trade and ultimately a loss of UK jobs. Really? Its because the Eu exists and new member countries have been allowed in that has changed the haulage industry in Europe. Just look at how Wayberers grew out of Hungariocamion as soon as Hungary joined up. Why do you think many Eu operators now register in Bulgaria and operate throughout Europe cutting the prices to a level that way undercuts anything we can compete with? Its probably too late now, but in fact its the very existence of the Eu that is killing the UK freight industry, we stay in and in a very short period of time you wont be driving anywhere, but Ion, Vlad, Stefan and Dumitru will be. OK so on the plus side the waiting games at Nickelsdorf and crossings like it have all but come to an end but that helps all operators and has provided a even playing field, but otherwise the UK industry cant hope to even come close to competing. Even the big long established players like Willy Betz have suffered and to stay in existence are having to move ops, at the expense of German driver's jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogmaw Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interesting to see how the vote is going, it was virtually unanimous in the pub the other night with all but one person saying they will vote to get out with one undecided Perhaps they'd decide differently when they're sober Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Interesting to see how the vote is going, it was virtually unanimous in the pub the other night with all but one person saying they will vote to get out with one undecided Bar her, you don't want that sort in the pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Perhaps they'd decide differently when they're sober All were sober, it was earlydoors time and all from varied cross section of jobs etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Bar her, you don't want that sort in the pub It's her pub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I really don't get why anybody thinks this will happen. Why would anyone stop trading with us? Other EU countries might stop trading with us because it's cheaper to buy the same goods from elsewhere in the EU. What does Britain export that can't be bought elsewhere in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I do think we might be overstating our importance a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I believe the EU as we have come to know it is in its death throws. Like all partnerships it was fine until a financial imbalance occurred between member countries with some defaulting. Add in the migrant situation, which gets worse by the day despite the BBC pretending it's not happening until the referendum is over, and the southern borders will be closed. Pressure on the more Liberal states will become intolerable to capitulate to allowing them in. Then things will get nasty. So, in or out, I foresee the Europe being unrecognisable in the EU sense in 2 years or so. If not actually at war. As for the USA this post on another forum amused me earlier this morning: "Trumpty Dumpty will be elected this Fall, and Trumpty Dumpty will build a huge wall. All the King's horses and all the King's men, will make our America great once again" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It's her pub Trash it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Other EU countries might stop trading with us because it's cheaper to buy the same goods from elsewhere in the EU. What does Britain export that can't be bought elsewhere in Europe? We don't, and can't trade on price. It is incompatible with a high wage economy like ours, although the current state of the pound must been a boon for exports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Trash it! No can't do that, its the only local that sells Tribute !! Its a nice place too so i'm happy for her to sit on the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Other EU countries might stop trading with us because it's cheaper to buy the same goods from elsewhere in the EU. What does Britain export that can't be bought elsewhere in Europe? We don't, and can't trade on price. It is incompatible with a high wage economy like ours, although the current state of the pound must been a boon for exports. As above. Also most products are already cheaper in the EU aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJI Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I believe the EU as we have come to know it is in its death throws. Agree with this. In as much as the continued expansion aspirations and the 'ever closer union'. But there will always be the desire from the likes of Germany and France to have a trade union purely so that they are not stepping on each other's toes regarding export markets. Also its not only the UK that dislike the 'ever closer union' but also numerous other EU members. And without a strong growing EU economy it would be impossible to support and develop the 'near 3rd world' countries that are likely to be invited in to the club. With Greece, Spain, Italy and others on near bankruptcy, it does look grim for the EU. Its not an environment that would be good for the UK, and all the fear mongering about the pound being 'damaged' by us leaving, I see it completely opposite - the pound should be in a much better position not being tied so tightly with a dire economic situation within the EU. (The pound sterling fear mongering as it happens is primarily coming from Goldman Sachs investment bank corporation - the same company that pushed for the UK to enter the EU in the very beginning - more impartial opinion would be better I think). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Also its not only the UK that dislike the 'ever closer union' but also numerous other EU members. And without a strong growing EU economy it would be impossible to support and develop the 'near 3rd world' countries that are likely to be invited in to the club. Turkey. Turkey are poor, and have a huge population. It also shares borders with Iraq, Iran and Syria. Say goodbye to any notion of security once they're admitted. The fact they're being granted visa free travel around Europe this year is bad enough. In addition to that, they're abandoning their fine tradition of secularism in favour of Islamism, they're provoking Russia, and it appears that at some level at least the Turkish state has been assisting ISIS. Giving them representation in the EU parliament would be a disaster. Its not an environment that would be good for the UK, and all the fear mongering about the pound being 'damaged' by us leaving, I see it completely opposite - the pound should be in a much better position not being tied so tightly with a dire economic situation within the EU. (The pound sterling fear mongering as it happens is primarily coming from Goldman Sachs investment bank corporation - the same company that pushed for the UK to enter the EU in the very beginning - more impartial opinion would be better I think). Also, the same Goldman Sachs that is bankrolling the remain campaign, and who's 'ex' employees can be found working in the top level of many governments. The corruption is rife. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35366994 http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/greek-debt-crisis-how-goldman-sachs-helped-greece-to-mask-its-true-debt-a-676634.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/how-goldman-sachs-took-over-the-world-873869.html https://aregan.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-european-government-of-goldman-sachs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The falling apart at the seams has commenced Greece recalls ambassador from Austria amid sharp EU divisions over migrant crisis http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35658776 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The falling apart at the seams has commenced Greece recalls ambassador from Austria amid sharp EU divisions over migrant crisis http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35658776 It's disgusting that once again, Greece is being treated like the whipping boy of the EU. All this talk about Europe wide cooperation is a con. The EU should never have been involved in this migrant crisis, it should have been brought to NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 I wonder how long before the old enmity between Greece and Turkey rears up more? I am not sure I have much more faith in NATO than in the leaders of the EU Turkey being a NATO member should become interesting soon.... Turkey as an EU member is just unthinkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Wasn't the Scottish referendum a couple of years ago? My thoughts exactly. People from Scotland need to accept that Scotland has had its say and it wants to remain part of Britain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 It's disgusting that once again, Greece is being treated like the whipping boy of the EU. All this talk about Europe wide cooperation is a con. The EU should never have been involved in this migrant crisis, it should have been brought to NATO. The crisis is the main reason why I'm voting out - because of the utterly inept and inhuman failures of the EU in managing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 What? You said there was limited offical documentation, so I say again how can anyone decide if they are not given all the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 The crisis is the main reason why I'm voting out - because of the utterly inept and inhuman failures of the EU in managing it. Exactly. Frau Merkel unilaterally handed out an invite to refugees, and the economic migrants saw it as a green light. She then tried to inflict forced quotas on all the EU countries, which she had no right to do. And now, because of her reckless actions, the Greeks are suffering, and the solution is to close the gates and make them deal with it. I'm baffled by how she is able to keep her job. I wonder how many genuine refugees have either died or ended up in slavery by the traffickers, thanks to her irresponsible rhetoric? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Doesn't matter if we want out or not.... I doubt we will be allowed to leave. Some crap will be fed to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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