Scooter Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The trouble with polls is often the 'leavers' are more outspoken after all they want a change and to a point to hell with the consequences (not a dig) a lot of the remain are the quieter meek and mild less shouty types, sure some believe in the EU as an entity but lots just want the status quo and we're in so let's er stay in. Will they actually get out and bother to vote to stay in is an issue perhaps, most leaver mentality people I think will definitely make the effort to actually vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just spotted this on the UK Government and Parliament petition website: Allow loud call for prayer (Adhan) in UK mosques https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132191 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 On other forums I am repeatedly told there's no fear of the hundreds of thousands of unknowns claiming refuge in Germany at Merkel's calling getting EU citizenship and being free to come over here or wherever else they fancy in the EU. I wrote this, and still await any answer whatsoever... "I am still awaiting a reply from those who repeatedly state that Germany will not give citizenship to the hundreds of thousands of migrants who are there or on their way there. These people say they will not get full German citizenship and EU citizenship, but will instead retain the status of "Refugees" whatever that may infer. My question is what about their children? What will their status be? And will these migrants have the right to bring across "family members" to join them? What will *THEIR* status be? If I am to take the status of these migrants to remain as "refugees" what precedence is there to their ongoing rights and those of their progeny, from the German and EU perspective?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just spotted this on the UK Government and Parliament petition website: Allow loud call for prayer (Adhan) in UK mosques https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132191 That's actually quite worrying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It's certainly not a peeling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 That's actually quite worrying Alternatively, maybe they should learn how to tell the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Just spotted this on the UK Government and Parliament petition website: Allow loud call for prayer (Adhan) in UK mosques https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/132191 I hate anything like that. Even churches that ring the bell on a Sunday. There's no need for it at all. I'm not religious I don't get up at midnight and sound a fog horn to let everyone know I'm not religious or the supra out at all times and bouncing off the limiter to call my fellow supra owners to congregate Tbh I don't think anything will change for the better. Whatever happens I think it's downhill all the way now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The trouble with polls is often the 'leavers' are more outspoken after all they want a change and to a point to hell with the consequences (not a dig) a lot of the remain are the quieter meek and mild less shouty types, sure some believe in the EU as an entity but lots just want the status quo and we're in so let's er stay in. Will they actually get out and bother to vote to stay in is an issue perhaps, most leaver mentality people I think will definitely make the effort to actually vote. That's interesting because my experience is the polar opposite. Those I know in the Remain camp are very out-spoken and Exit-voters far less so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 That's interesting because my experience is the polar opposite. Those I know in the Remain camp are very out-spoken and Exit-voters far less so. Thinking about it, away from here you are probably right! Face ache is quite vocal re remain on my news feed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Regarding Warsi switching camps, she never attended a single Leave meeting by all accounts so was she really in the leave camp to start with? Someone on twitter suggested she should stay in the leave camp and try to reform it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Regarding Warsi switching camps, she never attended a single Leave meeting by all accounts so was she really in the leave camp to start with? She could've been a plant! *CYNIC* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 She could've been a plant! *CYNIC* She almost certainly was a plant! Regardless of whether or not you liked Nige's poster, or whether you thought one side or the other was using scare tactics, the EU itself hasn't changed over the last few weeks. I expect one or two more 'side changes' may take place over the next day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The one question I say to those who want to Remain is this (it might well have been mentioned earlier in this tremendous thread): If the pending referendum was for us to join in the EU, rather than leave, would you vote to join? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 The one question I say to those who want to Remain is this (it might well have been mentioned earlier in this tremendous thread): If the pending referendum was for us to join in the EU, rather than leave, would you vote to join? It's a good question, but it needs a complicated answer: We're imagining a hypothetical UK, which until today has not yet joined the EU. If the hypothetical UK economy is like it is today (there are problems, sure, but it's OK depending on the sector you work in), then I would probably vote to remain out of the EU. If the UK was an economic basket case, I'd probably vote to join the EU in the hope that membership would help trade etc. If we're assuming the hypothetical UK is doing as well as (or better than) the real UK of today, then it would mean that my biggest fears about Brexit will not come true. But that's a big assumption. Let's imagine for a moment, an alternative scenario: The UK has never joined the EU, it's once-strong financial services industry has been hollowed out by big companies having moved their European HQs to Frankfurt in the mid-1980s (you can use a Bloomberg terminal from anywhere in the world, and the banks find it cheaper to deal with EU countries by being in an EU country). There is a brain-drain of skilled workers moving to USA and Europe, leaving an ageing population dependent on less and less tax revenues for their pensions. The government has subsidised the coal and steel industries, but cheap imports flooding in from China mean it's cheaper to import it than to make/mine it here. We don't make anything or provide particular services in big enough quantities to make it attractive to export it. We're reliant on trading with mainly France and Germany, but are hampered by tariffs slapped on our goods by the EU, making a lot of things uncompetitive. How would I vote then? Probably to join the EU. However..... any country wanting to join now, IIRC has to join the single currency as well. So the relationship we've got with the EU at the moment cannot be resurrected. If we leave and have another vote in x years' time to rejoin (something that I maintain is extremely unlikely to happen for 25+ years), it won't be on the same terms as we have now. Joining the single currency is a no-no for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Dzięki wielkie za podpowiedzi! Czasami człowiek siedzi i trudzi się nad rozwiązaniem problemu, a tu wystarczy załączyć komputer i tak wiele odpowiedzi w jednym. Czytaj podobne: 145 - Warto to zaglądać: http://upuritpa1977.blogspot.com/2016/06/czy-ubezpieczenia-oc-w-gliwicach-beda.html http://forum.dladomudlafirmy.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=183&p=368#p368 http://kobitki.phorum.pl/viewtopic.php?p=43783#43783 http://nfinchirira1979.blogspot.com/2016/06/zbyt-dugie-czekanie-na-linii-postaw-na.html http://www.forum.mojabudowa.pl/?kategoria=11&id=1753&info=Edytowano+temat#topic_2131 Nie ma za co Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Seen this doing the rounds on Facebook. Very powerful. Regardless of party, this man knows what he's talking about: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Calais under siege, migrants target British cars, motorway shuts: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/681614/Calais-migrants-refugees-Britain-UK-EU-referendum-Brexit-Euro-2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Brits are forking out £675million to help Turks join EU… even while Cameron insists they won’t Turkey was handed £2billion between 2007 and 2013 at today’s exchange rates As revealed in today's papers: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/131553...sts-they-wont/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angarak Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Speaking of £675 million, thats the same amount lost to fraud in the EU during 2015: http://news.sky.com/story/1704623/675m-of-eu-budget-lost-to-fraud-in-2015 Heres an interesting article based on factual data as opposed to predictive forecasts: http://civitas.org.uk/2016/06/15/the-talking-heads-of-the-imf-and-oecd-support-remain-their-databases-dont/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Heres an interesting article based on factual data as opposed to predictive forecasts: http://civitas.org.uk/2016/06/15/the-talking-heads-of-the-imf-and-oecd-support-remain-their-databases-dont/ The author also wrote "The Eurosceptic's Handbook", and "Myth and Paradox of the Single Market". I wouldn't trust his opinion as being unbiased. THe first thing I do when reading things like this, is try to find out if I'm reading propaganda: scroll to the bottom to see who the author is, or what the website tries to achieve. If I am (from either side, I've got just as little time for Remain propaganda), I take it with a pinch of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Brits are forking out £675million to help Turks join EU… even while Cameron insists they won’t Turkey was handed £2billion between 2007 and 2013 at today’s exchange rates As revealed in today's papers: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/131553...sts-they-wont/ That doesn't stack up. £2billion over 6 years is £333m per year. That's almost the UK's entire contribution to the EU, before we get any money back in rebates, grants, etc. If this money has been spent on Turkey, then we're not paying anything to keep the rest of the EU going. I doubt that. I think there's a side of this the Sun aren't telling us. The Currant Bun never lets the truth get in the way of a good story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 I read it that the EU as a WHOLE had handed Turkey that amount of £2 billion over 6 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Fraud within the EU : This thread made me chuckle ---Quote (Originally by ******)--- The EU spends about 6% of its budget on administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union(about 3% on civil servant salaries), and it employs less bureaucrats that some UK councils. I personally think that's pretty reasonable. ---End Quote--- ---Quote (Originally by @@@@@@@)--- [That's nice - but this is the same administration that cant get its books signed off because there's money missing all over the place. "OLAF is notified of some 12,000 cases of possible fraud every year, and says that it adopts a “zero tolerance” policy towards corruption and fraud in EU institutions. In reality, OLAF must be somewhat more tolerant than “zero” as it investigates only some 200 cases per year – *that is to say 98% of reported cases go un-investigated.*" "This is the most likely explanation of the fact that, since 1999, OLAF has sent only 335 people to jail and recovered only 1.1 Billion Euros of EU money –* less than one-thousandth of the amount unaccounted for*" http://www.richardmilton.net/have-the-eu-accounts-been-signed-off-or-not/ Also "in 2015, the amount not signed off by the Court of Auditors was “only” 4.7% of the budget. The problem is that 4.7% of the budget is 6.97 BILLION Euros – enough to build 70 major hospitals or 150 large secondary schools." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Its all getting interesting now, only a couple of days to go, who knows what will happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 Its all getting interesting now, only a couple of days to go, who knows what will happen Currently on the YouGov Daily poll with 2288 votes: 51% - remain 41% - leave The rest either don't know, aren't voting or 'other'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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