Abz Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I know this isn't going to help but will add further substance to other experiences. Few years ago a friend of mine and me were both caught together turning right at a left light, I was following him. We were heading back in the direction we came from (collected hire car). The short of it is that it is on a bend next to a storage place which has lorries coming out of it, the signage approaching the bend was facing the trees so you can not see it. I went to court with evidence to prove this, including close ups of the sign which was rusting from how long ago it was damaged. Looking on Google street view you could still see the sign was damage was it not recent. They agreed that it was not sufficient signage and the layout meant you would easily miss it, one of the officers mentioned it was a common issues there. After all this agreement I thought great, I am off the hook. They said that they would not charge me court fees or anything else and just give me 3 points and £60 fine because I was correct. My friend who went in a couple of weeks later on the same offence got away with no points or fine using the same evidence to support his claim. Due to incorrect notes from the officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I know this isn't going to help but will add further substance to other experiences. Few years ago a friend of mine and me were both caught together turning right at a left light, I was following him. We were heading back in the direction we came from (collected hire car). The short of it is that it is on a bend next to a storage place which has lorries coming out of it, the signage approaching the bend was facing the trees so you can not see it. I went to court with evidence to prove this, including close ups of the sign which was rusting from how long ago it was damaged. Looking on Google street view you could still see the sign was damage was it not recent. They agreed that it was not sufficient signage and the layout meant you would easily miss it, one of the officers mentioned it was a common issues there. After all this agreement I thought great, I am off the hook. They said that they would not charge me court fees or anything else and just give me 3 points and £60 fine because I was correct. My friend who went in a couple of weeks later on the same offence got away with no points or fine using the same evidence to support his claim. Due to incorrect notes from the officer. You should have appealed and gone to Crown Court not that that helps you now just another statistic of Majistrate Court Incompetence. Im really not sour about the state of our Legal System at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 What the likes of Nick Freeman relies on is the fact traffic officers are not chosen because they are the next Inspector Morse, or Sherlock Holmes. He can be sure that often sloppy paperwork, incorrect interpretation of the law, or other anomalies can be found, and that the average traffic officer, in court, pressurised by a competent and eloquent interrogator, can be made to make mistakes. The traffic cops are used to having people listening to them and not questioning them, and they are often easily led or rankled into saying and doing silly things. It will be very rare for them to come up against a formidable opponent whilst in court. He is no magician, just a regular guy, meticulous in his preparation and reading of the charges and notes. Lots of top barristers are the same, he chose to stay in the lowly world of the motorist rather than the serious criminal or fraudster. He still makes a fortune. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Freeman My advice, if you want a good brief, choose a Jew and expect to pay him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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