r0cknr0lla Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/88361/tax-disc-changes-everything-you-need-to-know-about-uk-road-tax# Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 What a strange and confusing way to do it. Seems like less incentive to drive a less polluting car too with the £140 flat rate. So much for David Camoron's "greenest government ever". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 What about pre emission rated cars like ours? £140? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Would have been nice! But I don't think so, old rates staying in place for cars registered before 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Low emission cars shouldn't be paying next to nothing or zero VED So I'm glad that they will be charged. The prices for expensive cars seem excessive. I think the whole system should go back to the old system, and call it road tax again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Either way it only applies to new cars in 2017. ours will stay the same. It works out better if your buying a high performance car really, i pay 420quid a year for my S5. With the new rules id pay 140 after the first 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think the whole system should go back to the old system' date=' and call it road tax again[/quote'] The last time it was called road tax was 1937, it's always been car tax. Vehicle excise duty, the tax on you being affluent enough to afford a car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Either way it only applies to new cars in 2017. ours will stay the same. It works out better if your buying a high performance car really, i pay 420quid a year for my S5. With the new rules id pay 140 after the first 3 years. Is the S5 less than 40k new? If not, it would work out fairly pricey for the first 5 years. I welcome that change though. Low emission cars tear up the tarmac almost as much as Supra's do, probably more when you consider that most of us do a very small amount of miles in our cars by comparison. I was actually all for the pay per mile tax, as then you're paying in relation to how much of the road you are wearing out. Unfortunately it would likely be handled very poorly so it's probably for the best that it didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 So let me get this right.... Aslong as i dont buy a new car i will only pay 140 tax? unless its new list price is over 40k? if so wait 5 years? Get saving for that supercharged range rover then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemanhead Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 So let me get this right.... Aslong as i dont buy a new car i will only pay 140 tax? unless its new list price is over 40k? if so wait 5 years? Get saving for that supercharged range rover then No, i think thats just post april 2017 cars that will fall into those brackets. We just carry on as we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Yeah sorry i ment from 2017. So in 2022, a massive pertol 4x4 brought in 2017 would cost 140 to tax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think it's 5 years from you owning it, thats how it looks anyway, so they get more money out of you, because lets face it who keeps a new car longer than 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I think it's 5 years from you owning it, thats how it looks anyway, so they get more money out of you, because lets face it who keeps a new car longer than 5 years. I can't see it being for each owner. The way I read it is that only the initial 5 years will be payable. After that there's no way of controling the sale value of a car to state that it's over 40k. These things must be set on facts, if the original purchase price was over 40K then there can be no doubt as to the following five years, after that point it's all speculation. So effectively, IMO at least, yes..... you can buy a big v12 petrol guzzler and only pay £140 tax once the car is 5 years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Thats the way i read it to scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 so they get more money out of you That's the point to the entire thing. Modern cars are too efficient for the old tax laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 The last time it was called road tax was 1937, it's always been car tax. Vehicle excise duty, the tax on you being affluent enough to afford a car. Yeah that's my point. We should be paying road tax. Racing vehicles for using the road and not for the emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 It's a shame they didn't do anything about the older cars some 2006 on cars will just get wasted (scrapped early) due to £500 pa tax......they could have put a >10 year old £300 cap or something as there will be loads of usable cars getting scrapped early as their price/age falls into the poorer owners affordability, but the £500 tax means they will just be unwanted by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 It's a shame they didn't do anything about the older cars some 2006 on cars will just get wasted (scrapped early) due to £500 pa tax......they could have put a >10 year old £300 cap or something as there will be loads of usable cars getting scrapped early as their price/age falls into the poorer owners affordability, but the £500 tax means they will just be unwanted by anyone. Might be useable, but the Government can't be seen to incentivise cars with such high emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Might be useable, but the Government can't be seen to incentivise cars with such high emissions. But their own new system means the highest emission cars bought in 2017 will be £140pa in 2022-3 doesn't it? meanwhile old lower emission cars will be stuck on the current £500. So in 2022 a 'banger territory' 2007 Volvo V70 2.4L Petrol or 2007 Volvo XC90 auto D5 = £500 ish pa...........2018 Nissan GTR'esque car £140!? To be fair I think the new rule sounds ok (beneficial to used car petrolheads in the future), just seems a bit out of kilter in the above example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Low emission cars shouldn't be paying next to nothing or zero VED Having just got a zero rated car I'm pretty annoyed to hear this news. They get road tax from me for four cars, yet I can only drive one at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Having just got a zero rated car I'm pretty annoyed to hear this news. They get road tax from me for four cars, yet I can only drive one at once. I'm annoyed that the government have the audacity to charge people for air pollution from vehicles, to use on a public road. And decide that cars with zero emissions(oxymoron if I have ever heard one) can drive for free. And then come up with congestion charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 Having just got a zero rated car I'm pretty annoyed to hear this news. I think you are fine the new rules are only for new cars after the deadline. So they are saying it's worth buying car like you have before the deadline, but high emission cars like 911 turbo's etc after. The same marque emission cars in 2016-17 and 2017-18 will, in time have significantly different annual rates, which could, again in time impact the second hand values of 2012-16 models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 But their own new system means the highest emission cars bought in 2017 will be £140pa in 2022-3 doesn't it? meanwhile old lower emission cars will be stuck on the current £500. So in 2022 a 'banger territory' 2007 Volvo V70 2.4L Petrol or 2007 Volvo XC90 auto D5 = £500 ish pa...........2018 Nissan GTR'esque car £140!? To be fair I think the new rule sounds ok (beneficial to used car petrolheads in the future), just seems a bit out of kilter in the above example. What about the flat-rate charge for cars over £40k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 I wish we had a system on par with your new or old , I pay 1494euro for my 93 Supra Something modern S5 would be 2350 euro annually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 12, 2016 Share Posted February 12, 2016 What about the flat-rate charge for cars over £40k? What do you mean? the flat rate is for 5 years only isn't it, then it drops to £140........unless I read it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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