Black ice - Be careful (Not the Supra, don't panic)

[cered]

Be careful in the night / mornings. Slid into the back of someone and someone slid into the back of me no one at fault apart from the council for not gritting the roads (I'd say they were negligent... we were outside of the South Wales police headquarters next to an industrial estate with a lot of major infrastructure)

 

Fiesta needs a new bumper and cross member, no other damage fortunately and no one going through insurance.

[Westcoaster]

This is not aimed at you personally, but I hear of a lot of people complaining that the roads aren't gritted and that it is somehow the local authority's fault that the roads are slippy.

 

If you must drive in winter, then you need to drive to the conditions and leave plenty of room to stop and you need to equip your car to cope with the conditions such as fitting winter tyres - even in the southern half of the UK. For that reason, the Supra only gets driven when the temperature is >6C and there is no snow or ice forecast because it wears summer tyres.

 

If you drive your car like it's June and it's wearing summer tyres then eventually you will have an accident. Having said all that, I'm glad you weren't injured!

[JasonR24]

This is not aimed at you personally, but I hear of a lot of people complaining that the roads aren't gritted and that it is somehow the local authority's fault that the roads are slippy.

 

If you must drive in winter, then you need to drive to the conditions and leave plenty of room to stop and you need to equip your car to cope with the conditions such as fitting winter tyres - even in the southern half of the UK. For that reason, the Supra only gets driven when the temperature is >6C and there is no snow or ice forecast because it wears summer tyres.

 

If you drive your car like it's June and it's wearing summer tyres then eventually you will have an accident. Having said all that, I'm glad you weren't injured!

 

Of course it's their fault. They are paid more than enough to grit the roads one month a year!

[cered]

This is not aimed at you personally, but I hear of a lot of people complaining that the roads aren't gritted and that it is somehow the local authority's fault that the roads are slippy.

 

If you must drive in winter, then you need to drive to the conditions and leave plenty of room to stop and you need to equip your car to cope with the conditions such as fitting winter tyres - even in the southern half of the UK. For that reason, the Supra only gets driven when the temperature is >6C and there is no snow or ice forecast because it wears summer tyres.

 

If you drive your car like it's June and it's wearing summer tyres then eventually you will have an accident. Having said all that, I'm glad you weren't injured!

 

Yeah I know it's not a personal remark and get what you mean but he collision happened at less than 5mph (leaving a carrieageway after a traffic controlled 90deg bend to go down a small hill towards a junction). I was moving slowly around the corner, go onto the small decline, and slid down (i actually sped up despite standing on the brakes, ABS doing its work to help) into the back of someone stopped at the junction, guy on a bike behind me then came off and slid into the back of me.

 

Apparently a few motorcycles tipped over and a few more crashes with cars happened in that spot or nearby because the roads weren't gritted. Speaking as a legal beaver a reasonable person would assume the roads were gritted because of its high traffic volume and proximity to the emergency services HQ. And if the roads were gritted preventing black ice to be formed there's some certainty that the collisions wouldn't have taken place. this would fall into the council's court as being negligent as their negligence caused these incidents

 

IMO of course...

[Westcoaster]

Of course it's their fault. They are paid more than enough to grit the roads one month a year!

 

http://www.local.gov.uk/web/guest/community-safety/-/journal_content/56/10180/3510492/ARTICLE#Costs will explain it for you.

[jim]

I had a hairy moment this morning in the supra, I was stopped at a red light at a junction leading onto a 4 lane road (2 lanes each direction), when it went green I took off slowly but lost all traction and had a bit of a drift across the two (thankfully empty) lanes in front of me, the two opposite lanes were full of traffic queued at lights and I had a bus full of people sitting looking out at me sliding towards them. The looks on some of their faces was funny, I tried hard to look all casual like I'd meant to do it, don't know how convincing I was

[TuneR]

(i actually sped up despite standing on the brakes, ABS doing its work to help) into the back of someone stopped at the junction, guy on a bike behind me then came off and slid into the back of me.

Shouldn't engage normal ABS in ice, gravel, etc. It doesn't work and speeds you up as you unfortunately found out, hence why its encouraged to brake earlier and easier when driving in these conditions.

[cered]

It's not too much of a bother with the council luckily, damage report so far:

- Small crack in bumper where the big front grill is

- Big front grill needs replacing

- Small split at the edge of the bumper hidden by grill and fold in the bumper

 

I reckon new grill, hot water to get the marks in the bumper out and I'll be ok. worst case scenario the crack & the split are visible with the new grill adn it needs repainting at about £100. So £150 all in, not the end of the world if Council deny liability

[Sanya]

I am with Westcoaster on that one. Certain seasons and road conditions dictate the style of driving. But if council admits their fault fair play to you. [[=