j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't see that happening anytime soon. Especially as Muslims are getting more positions of power and more recognition to be equal and have a fair representation. I would like to see all religion removed from any political party and agendas, and to not have religion used as a tool. As you said, religion should be a personal choice, but it's clearly not. It doesn't help with Cameron singing "this is a Christian nation" from the rafters. I wonder if he's even noticed how most churches stand empty most of the time? Although many people in the polls will.identify as being either Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc, many of them won't be in practice, and from what I can see the actual trend is overwhelmingly towards agnosticism and atheism. And it should, because that is the only way to have a multicultural society. Just look at the way minorities are treated in religious theocracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 It doesn't help with Cameron singing "this is a Christian nation" from the rafters. I wonder if he's even noticed how most churches stand empty most of the time? Although many people in the polls will.identify as being either Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc, many of them won't be in practice, and from what I can see the actual trend is overwhelmingly towards agnosticism and atheism. And it should, because that is the only way to have a multicultural society. Just look at the way minorities are treated in religious theocracies. Don't think he says that anymore. He certainly isn't backing up the Christian community and neither are local councils with the amount of Mosques that are around. We are a predominant Christian society, with many of our laws reflecting that. Even trading laws are still Christian based. But hopefully they will be changing soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 We were a predominantly Christian society. And we should always remember and respect our heritage. But I would guesstimate that most people are either Atheist, or believe in some sort of deity, without the restrictions and outdated notions of the Abrahamic religions. Although I regard the Guardian in the same way as the Daily Mail,there's a pretty enlightening article on this subject today http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/church-of-england-attendance-falls-below-million-first-time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Religion + politics = a disfunctional legislature and only serves to increase divisions in society - northern Ireland is a prime example, that said its better than what went before it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkddav3 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Everyone has a right to practice a religion of their choosing Ect, but what should happen is when people who arnt born here come to England and try to ram their believes and practices down our throats. You go to the country then you live by their rules SIMPLE AS. In Dubai you can get locked up for just kissing your mrs in public but it's their country so that's the rules! If I were to go to another country which practices X religion and commit a crime I would have to accept the fact I would be tried under their laws and courts... I wouldn't argue and demand to be tried as it were in England Respect the laws of the land you live in...if I recall some religious books might say that We are just push overs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 but what should happen is when people who arnt born here come to England and try to ram their believes and practices down our throats. I don't see that issue being caused by immigrants. The fault lies with the ultra PC culture that has invaded our government and public services. They think causing offence to minorities is the worst humanitarian crime. That is why banks no longer show adverts with piggy banks, barbaric kosher/Halal slaughter is tolerated, there's a National Black Police Association, and crimes like those of Rotherham, Cologne etc are swept under the carpet. They are the people destroying our culture, not immigrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't see that issue being caused by immigrants. The fault lies with the ultra PC culture that has invaded our government and public services. They think causing offence to minorities is the worst humanitarian crime. That is why banks no longer show adverts with piggy banks, barbaric kosher/Halal slaughter is tolerated, there's a National Black Police Association, and crimes like those of Rotherham, Cologne etc are swept under the carpet. They are the people destroying our culture, not immigrants. Exactly. Stupid PC bu**shit. Like Christmas, Muslims don't care about Christmas, and don't care that we celebrate it. Yet the PC brigade steps in incase it offends. Newsflash, it doesn't offend anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't see that issue being caused by immigrants. The fault lies with the ultra PC culture that has invaded our government and public services. They think causing offence to minorities is the worst humanitarian crime. That is why banks no longer show adverts with piggy banks, barbaric kosher/Halal slaughter is tolerated, there's a National Black Police Association, and crimes like those of Rotherham, Cologne etc are swept under the carpet. They are the people destroying our culture, not immigrants. You couldn't have put that any better. I do not normally get involved in these types of threads. Anything relating to race and religion I try to stay well away. The whole Halal meat is something that really gets to me, an how this country will happily put up with such acts is beyond belief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 *law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Havard; ridiculous comment. The % of benefit hunters or religious haters is probably less than 1%. The reason people think like that is because we seem to retain all the negative things we read in the papers and see on the news. Please educate me on your extensive knowledge and research? Probably less than 1%?? Do you really think that of the hundreds of thousands of people that have come here legally or illegally, have actually found jobs, started successful business, pay tax etc? Or have they put strain on our benefits system and health service, never mind getting into subjects like crime, illegal squatting, shoplifting etc. I don't believe that many come here with the intention of being a terrorist of deliberately doing the country harm but they do fall into a trap. They may come here with a notion of finding a job but many stay here just to take the handouts as they have no other option. Also I don't do ridiculous statements either, unless i am taking the piss. I also can read between the lines when reading a newspaper that is designed to sensationalise stories to increase sales. Please give me some credit. I get myself out and about a bit as part of my job. You want to have a drive around Bolton (near where i live), Blackburn, Oldham etc. I don't get the impression that there are bread winners in the families I see, just large families, all at home during the working day or out and about in a group, no-one actually working. There are streets near me where an white man, dare not tread too. No attempt to integrate, just segregation which quite frankly saddens me. A short walk around the local retail park on Sunday demonstrated perfectly the number of people who are obviously do not originate from this country but are happily holding conversations in their own language with not even an attempt to communicate in English. When I go to France, I try to speak French out of respect. I would never think of building a church in Saudi Arabia either. Lets put up some more road signs in Polish or Arabic as that will obviously help the problem with integration. As I said before, anyone who comes here and wants to work, earn a living, adopt our way of life would have my full support. I would even like to live next door to them. I just don't see this happening in the places that I go. There seems to be loads of Eastern European guys walking around Wigan with nothing better to do than chat on street corners. Do the Australians put up with this or do you get shipped back to your place of birth or where you came from the minute your visa expires? There is definitely something wrong with the way we are dealing with human traffic / immigration etc. Maybe I am just ignorant and weird and coming out with ridiculous statements....FFS..!! H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 , and crimes like those of Rotherham, Cologne etc are swept under the carpet. Precisely this, the Rotherham coverage was shameful in its lack of detail, and as for Cologne, the press seemed to wilfully avoid the fact the crimes were carried out by immigrants despite victims stating that was the fact! PC thuggery has been in effect too long and seems to be increasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 Our compassion & our tolerance of minorities will be our down fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Our compassion & our tolerance of minorities will be our down fall. Like any generous act, it is only a matter of time before the ignorant take advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 Like any generous act, it is only a matter of time before the ignorant take advantage. They already are big time & with the weak leaders we have God (a expression not a belief) save us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 You know what else is dangerous? Making decisions based on Daily Mail articles. Too right. I won't even bother reading anything in that rag of a paper. If you've not read Ben Goldacre's Bad Science - do so. It'll change your view of the media, advertising and medical claims forever. Brilliant read. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bad-Science-Ben-Goldacre/dp/000728487X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 The Mail has it's place, mainly in that it is an extremely good source of pictures the 'journalism' is on a par with the Metro, Guardian, Express, Mirror, Sun etc. Just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Havard, Jamesmark, Read this; https://www.gov.uk › file › lse-consulting All the stats are at the end of the document and none of them are over 1% most are less than .2%. However, They were published in 2010 and the stats may have changed a tadge since then. If the link doesn't work this is the document. The Impact of Migration on Crime and Victimisation A report for the Migration Advisory Committee December 2011 Brian Bell and Stephen Machin Centre for Economic Performance, LSE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 You know what else is dangerous? Making decisions based on Daily Mail articles. Agreed. Open thread, see link is from Daily Mail, close thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 31, 2016 Author Share Posted January 31, 2016 Ignorance is bliss, untill it turns around & bites you hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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