Tony Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3391501/Crown-judge-rule-sharia-cases-court-set-hardline-cleric-led-demonstration-against-Charlie-Hebdo.html then sign this http://onelawforallpetition.com/onelaw/onela300.php?nr=40155035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_GT Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 You know what else is dangerous? Making decisions based on Daily Mail articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 It isn't just Sharia courts, Jewish 'Beth Din' courts also operate in the UK, and are equally abhorrent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-jewish-orthodox-councils-institutionalising-marital-captivity-and-upholding-discriminatory-a6803256.html However, the Government won't do anything about it. As in the case of Halal/Kosher meat, they put the rights of minorities above the welfare of victims. Even when those rights are cruel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 It isn't just Sharia courts, Jewish 'Beth Din' courts also operate in the UK, and are equally abhorrent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-jewish-orthodox-councils-institutionalising-marital-captivity-and-upholding-discriminatory-a6803256.html However, the Government won't do anything about it. As in the case of Halal/Kosher meat, they put the rights of minorities above the welfare of victims. Even when those rights are cruel. I agree !00% wrong, there only one court of law in this country Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 You know what else is dangerous? Making decisions based on Daily Mail articles. Researched it, MAT has been in exsitence for a few years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I agree !00% wrong, there only one court of law in this country The only real problem is this isn't our country any more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 The only real problem is this isn't our country any more! Does feel like that a lot of the time! all the more reason to stop it now, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Trouble is all the time we elect these limp wristed politicians with no balls, its never going to change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Trouble is all the time we elect these limp wristed politicians with no balls, its never going to change I bet we only know a small amount of what is going on at grass roots level. I don't want to get too much into this before the racist card comes out but I agree that people come to this country and slowly look to change things to their way of life and we let them. There are so many things that just aren't British and I think we should stand up for these values. As time goes by it will become almost impossible to change things back to how they were. I am all for people coming here and adopting our way of life, language and wanting to contribute to the system. All we seem to get are benefit hunters or religious haters. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I am all for people coming here and adopting our way of life, language and wanting to contribute to the system. All we seem to get are benefit hunters or religious haters. It's hard to quantify, but I feel that most people who come here want to contribute, and integrate - to an extent. But there has long been a foolish belief that you can just open the country's doors to all who want to come, and they will all just integrate. Unfortunately, as had been proven, when masses of people from relatively backward cultures come here en masse, they don't leave their luggage behind. As we've seen this year already, mass migration has some terrible side effects, and Europe is going to haven't get used to the fact that incidents like those in Germany, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland on new year are now going to be the norm. Of course, the great (and tragic) irony is those who commit such acts believe it is okay because they have some sort of religious and cultural moral and gender superiority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I bet we only know a small amount of what is going on at grass roots level. I don't want to get too much into this before the racist card comes out but I agree that people come to this country and slowly look to change things to their way of life and we let them. There are so many things that just aren't British and I think we should stand up for these values. As time goes by it will become almost impossible to change things back to how they were. I am all for people coming here and adopting our way of life, language and wanting to contribute to the system. All we seem to get are benefit hunters or religious haters. H. Agreed! and again without being racist, and its way to easy to be called this and other things if you have an opinion these days! but that just another example of how this country identity is being eaten away at. We have allowed this county's core beliefs, politics, and identity to be diluted so much that I think your right, it will never be the same, after all how many other country's would allow us to build Christian churches, and run our own Justis systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 The thing is though, the country's identity is changing. People are overwhelmingly rejecting organised religion, including Christianity. I would guess the majority of people in the UK now, if they're being honest, are either agnostic or Atheist. Rationality and education leave little room for religion. So while Christianity is part of our heritage, it isn't our identity. We are probably the most tolerant society in the world, and that is something to be very proud of. And part of that should be to allow people to practice or not practice whatever religion they want. But this should never be to the detriment of other people and animals. And there should only be one law, equally applicable to all. Religious law and religious politics are a grave threat to our values, and should be consigned to the past where they belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I also agree with that statement, I was only using religion as an example, and I like most don't really have any, but I do object to what this country allows others to do in relation to that, because it seems to me that it is to our detriment, and I think its because we allow this, is why we are seen a weak and gullible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 9, 2016 Author Share Posted January 9, 2016 Dont get me wrong I have no time or symathy for anything this man did or his politics but this has the ring of truth about it. Adolf Hitler > Quotes > Quotable Quote Adolf Hitler “The best way to take control over a people and control them utterly is to take a little of their freedom at a time, to erode rights by a thousand tiny and almost imperceptible reductions. In this way, the people will not see those rights and freedoms being removed until past the point at which these changes cannot be reversed.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 I'm sure there would be a lot of unrest if sharia law came into effect surely there would be some form of civil war as I'm sure there are far more British and imigrants that dont follow sharia law. But these articles kept poping up on faceballs 2 years ago. So what can you truly believe from the media mombojumbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I am all for people coming here and adopting our way of life, language and wanting to contribute to the system. All we seem to get are benefit hunters or religious haters. H. Havard; ridiculous comment. The % of benefit hunters or religious haters is probably less than 1%. The reason people think like that is because we seem to retain all the negative things we read in the papers and see on the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmark Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Havard; ridiculous comment. The % of benefit hunters or religious haters is probably less than 1%. The reason people think like that is because we seem to retain all the negative things we read in the papers and see on the news. Not that I am saying it is inaccurate but do you have anything to back the 'less than 1%' up? As to make out it is ridiculous you must have some foundation behind your statement. Not saying that Havard's statement is accurate either but I would be inclined to agree with his statement over yours. Yes, we focus on the negative's because that is what impacts us all in some shape or form, and that is all that is broadcast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 ] The % of benefit hunters or religious haters is probably less than 1%. The reason people think like that is because we seem to retain all the negative things we read in the papers and see on the news. Yes, 1%, if that, make up actual extremists. But the issue goes much further than that. Consider, ideologically speaking, what you want for this country's future, and what is in the best interests of the nation and it's people. For me, it is the retention of a democratic government. The adoption of truly secular governance, where religion is a freedom that all can enjoy, or not, and that it has no influence at all on government. And that children are not forced to go to churches and other places of worship because their parents do, which IS ideological indoctrination. I think most sensible people would agree, and I believe that is the direction the country is headed. Now, do you think truly religious people really want the same thing? I don't. I think many true Christians are more than happy that there are Bishops in the house of Lords, shaping the country when the vast majority of the nation are not religious. Equally, I believe that devout Muslims think that the people of this country would be better for being Muslim, and I think a lot of them would like to see Islamic religious laws observed, Certainly in the case of blasphemy. if you agree, suddenly, that 1% of extremists that was a threat is suddenly many times larger. Ultimately, you cannot expect rationality from people who believe some of the absurdities that religions teach, and that is why religion+politics= the very worst attrocities imaginable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I wonder if the mkiv Indian elephant owners club had a similar topic of conversation when the British colonists came to their country and imposed their views, laws and religion upon them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I wonder if the mkiv Indian elephant owners club had a similar topic of conversation when the British colonists came to their country and imposed their views, laws and religion upon them Maybe the MKIV bullfighting club had one when the Moors invaded Spain, or the MKIV stone henge club did when the Romans, French or Scandinavians invaded Britain, or the people of Constantinople did before they were butchered by the Ottomans. Colonialism existed before, during, and after the British Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I take your point, and I'm just poking the bees nest with my stick, no offence intended just pointing out the irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 no harm done There just seems to be some common misconception that Britain was uniquely some giant imperial monster. My 93 year old Grandad was stationed in India during the war, and was stuck out there for several years after due to the logistics of bringing all the men and equipment back. His first hand account of life in India at the time, and the events of the end of British rule and the separation of India and Pakistan are different to what apologist, revisionary historians who weren't there will tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 For I think most sensible people would agree, and I believe that is the direction the country is headed. Which direction do you think the country is heading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Which direction do you think the country is heading? Towards a secular democracy. The eventual total separation of religion and state, and hopefully a ban on political parties with religious affiliation. Hopefully retaining a constitutional monarchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Towards a secular democracy. The eventual total separation of religion and state, and hopefully a ban on political parties with religious affiliation. Hopefully retaining a constitutional monarchy. I don't see that happening anytime soon. Especially as Muslims are getting more positions of power and more recognition to be equal and have a fair representation. I would like to see all religion removed from any political party and agendas, and to not have religion used as a tool. As you said, religion should be a personal choice, but it's clearly not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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