CONTAINS SPOILERS going to see the force awakens at midnight

[mplavery]

Watched Star Wars imax 3D

 

Bloody brilliant, have not enjoyed a film like that in years,

[marbleapple]

I watched it on the 28th.

 

Whilst I liked the action I couldn't help thinking that I had seen a lot of it before. Haven't we had a giant laser weapon with one weakness that will blow the whole thing up if damaged the right way?

 

Thought the Sith was a total wuss (despite the good start in the village), and can only assume they killed off his father as Lucas etal were concerned he might not live long enough in real life to be there in the other 2 films.

 

If the Republic was now huge but could see that the 1st Order was growing in strength, why did they leave it to the Resistance to fight them?

[neilp9876]

Whilst I liked the action I couldn't help thinking that I had seen a lot of it before. Haven't we had a giant laser weapon with one weakness that will blow the whole thing up if damaged the right way?

 

I thought the same, same death star but bigger, same flaw, same shield take down. Surely they could have come up with something original?

 

The bad guy (Hans son) whatever his name was, is probably the most pathetic villain ive ever seen, he just needed a big hug and he would have been fine.

 

Still enjoyed the film though, for what it was.

[ManwithSupra]

I saw this last night and had some expectations... of which I am sad to say lacked..

 

I am still not sure what to think of it, was it good, was it bad... hmmm I am going to have to let that sink in.

The storyline felt weak as did the script, cinimaticly though the CGI, and real world effects were great.

 

Although it was a film again which has been damaged by the trailers (ill get back to that bit)

 

Hans death was no where near what it should have been and we all saw it coming but it was executed (excuse the pun) in such a lame way.

Han should have been killed protecting or bringing down the force field or something or at least a dramatic battle between son and father (yes like in ROTJ) with some real emotion, They could have made it so much more involved. In his earlier films he is a smuggler turned hero figure any by far one of the most loved characters to grace the franchise, the way he played his character in this film was not a hero, he just kind of sat down and died with a death worthy of a B Grade movie. They tried to do a Luke Vader Father moment with this scene as well and failed spectacularly why... well because of the damn trailer.

 

So in the trailer at the end you get to see Kylo and Fin have a light sabre battle... this is the issue. When Han walked up to Kylo on the bridge you knew that there was still a scene coming which meant that Kylo would still be on the dark side because he fights Fin, when the scene with Han and Kylo was played out and Kylo started taking off his mask and gloves and said "help me do this" you knew what was coming.. When Kylo killed Han I felt no other emotion other than what?? how is that worthy death...

 

Now onto Rey... where to start

I am all up for a female heroin, Jedi or whatever its refreshing.

Why did they choose Daisy Ridley... because Keira Knightley probably didn't want to do it or was too expensive - they could almost be sisters those too. Its was like using a B grade actor to fill in for a sequal originally played by another actor. I thought her acting was quite poor for most of the film, same face was pulled pretty much the entire way.

 

Now her "awakening of the force" - It took Luke Months to learn the ways of the force and then even when he did he still sucked and Vader kicked his ass. She seems to do it in a few days with no real effort to be honest.

She also seems to be pretty good at swordcraft for someone who has never picked up a light sabre (sword or whatever) an amateur fighting someone who is partially trained would last say oooh er 3 or 4 seconds before being killed or seriously hurt. I did some swordplay lessons a few years ago and well yeah an amateur... no wait two amateurs (Fin) would not have lasted more than a few seconds. Unrealistic.

 

Also her ability to suddenly fly and know the detailed workings of the Mil Falcon and how to fly it like a pro after 30 seconds of trying and making a hash of it. Then there is the whole mind control thing.. If you just say it.. it wont work however if you look angry and stare at them it will. 3 attempts.. (sigh). I dont remembe Alec Guinness looking like this when doing mind control

 

I could go on, the film felt very rushed and there is hardly any information for whats happened over the last 30 years, the script was weak and was the storyline.

To me it felt unfinished, not rounded - Also there were a bunch of continuity errors in it which irritated me beyond belief.

 

Verdict - hmm I don't know... I want it to be good, but I just don't think it is, better than 1,2 and 3 YES for sure but no where near 4,5,6.

[Sanya]

I saw this last night and had some expectations... of which I am sad to say lacked..

 

I am still not sure what to think of it, was it good, was it bad... hmmm I am going to have to let that sink in.

The storyline felt weak as did the script, cinimaticly though the CGI, and real world effects were great.

 

Although it was a film again which has been damaged by the trailers (ill get back to that bit)

 

Hans death was no where near what it should have been and we all saw it coming but it was executed (excuse the pun) in such a lame way.

Han should have been killed protecting or bringing down the force field or something or at least a dramatic battle between son and father (yes like in ROTJ) with some real emotion, They could have made it so much more involved. In his earlier films he is a smuggler turned hero figure any by far one of the most loved characters to grace the franchise, the way he played his character in this film was not a hero, he just kind of sat down and died with a death worthy of a B Grade movie. They tried to do a Luke Vader Father moment with this scene as well and failed spectacularly why... well because of the damn trailer.

 

So in the trailer at the end you get to see Kylo and Fin have a light sabre battle... this is the issue. When Han walked up to Kylo on the bridge you knew that there was still a scene coming which meant that Kylo would still be on the dark side because he fights Fin, when the scene with Han and Kylo was played out and Kylo started taking off his mask and gloves and said "help me do this" you knew what was coming.. When Kylo killed Han I felt no other emotion other than what?? how is that worthy death...

 

Now onto Rey... where to start

I am all up for a female heroin, Jedi or whatever its refreshing.

Why did they choose Daisy Ridley... because Keira Knightley probably didn't want to do it or was too expensive - they could almost be sisters those too. Its was like using a B grade actor to fill in for a sequal originally played by another actor. I thought her acting was quite poor for most of the film, same face was pulled pretty much the entire way.

 

Now her "awakening of the force" - It took Luke Months to learn the ways of the force and then even when he did he still sucked and Vader kicked his ass. She seems to do it in a few days with no real effort to be honest.

She also seems to be pretty good at swordcraft for someone who has never picked up a light sabre (sword or whatever) an amateur fighting someone who is partially trained would last say oooh er 3 or 4 seconds before being killed or seriously hurt. I did some swordplay lessons a few years ago and well yeah an amateur... no wait two amateurs (Fin) would not have lasted more than a few seconds. Unrealistic.

 

Also her ability to suddenly fly and know the detailed workings of the Mil Falcon and how to fly it like a pro after 30 seconds of trying and making a hash of it. Then there is the whole mind control thing.. If you just say it.. it wont work however if you look angry and stare at them it will. 3 attempts.. (sigh). I dont remembe Alec Guinness looking like this when doing mind control

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I could go on, the film felt very rushed and there is hardly any information for whats happened over the last 30 years, the script was weak and was the storyline.

To me it felt unfinished, not rounded - Also there were a bunch of continuity errors in it which irritated me beyond belief.

 

Verdict - hmm I don't know... I want it to be good, but I just don't think it is, better than 1,2 and 3 YES for sure but no where near 4,5,6.

 

You are not alone who felt like this...

[Scooter]

I liked it (I'd not seen any trailers at all mind) the trouble is lots of the tracing back through the years and her learning the Jedi ways would have taken ages to do, also then someone out there would have just accused them of the same as you have re the death star in that we've seen it all before. You can suspend belief for a futuristic space war but not that a Jedi (again something made up!) might not be a natural swords person from day one. May be Luke's sabre transferred all that knowledge to a worth Jedi, everything evolves so may be later Jedi's are borne more ready.

 

I think sometimes we forget that this is not really an adult based series, I loved it as a kid when the general good vs evil in space is enough, throw in some wierd creatures and light Sabres and we're hooked......30+ years later, we're suddenly Studying plot lines, continuity errors etc etc.

 

There were some/lots of cliche/similar bits, but they are muched loved from the original, so again take them all away and some would complain it changed too much, I agree that there were too many but it must have been hard to gamble with straying too far from a winning formula and I enjoyed it regardless.

 

Basically I enjoyed it for what it is, I can understand some real fans being left wanting more/'better' but it's just a film!!!

[Pete]

Saw Terminator Genisys last night and really enjoyed it (although also too silly in places, Terminator should be more serious), but it was a pretty cool way to reboot off the original.

[Sanya]

I did like terminator either

[Hemanhead]

I saw this last night and had some expectations... of which I am sad to say lacked..

 

I am still not sure what to think of it, was it good, was it bad... hmmm I am going to have to let that sink in.

The storyline felt weak as did the script, cinimaticly though the CGI, and real world effects were great.

 

Although it was a film again which has been damaged by the trailers (ill get back to that bit)

 

Hans death was no where near what it should have been and we all saw it coming but it was executed (excuse the pun) in such a lame way.

Han should have been killed protecting or bringing down the force field or something or at least a dramatic battle between son and father (yes like in ROTJ) with some real emotion, They could have made it so much more involved. In his earlier films he is a smuggler turned hero figure any by far one of the most loved characters to grace the franchise, the way he played his character in this film was not a hero, he just kind of sat down and died with a death worthy of a B Grade movie. They tried to do a Luke Vader Father moment with this scene as well and failed spectacularly why... well because of the damn trailer.

 

So in the trailer at the end you get to see Kylo and Fin have a light sabre battle... this is the issue. When Han walked up to Kylo on the bridge you knew that there was still a scene coming which meant that Kylo would still be on the dark side because he fights Fin, when the scene with Han and Kylo was played out and Kylo started taking off his mask and gloves and said "help me do this" you knew what was coming.. When Kylo killed Han I felt no other emotion other than what?? how is that worthy death...

 

Now onto Rey... where to start

I am all up for a female heroin, Jedi or whatever its refreshing.

Why did they choose Daisy Ridley... because Keira Knightley probably didn't want to do it or was too expensive - they could almost be sisters those too. Its was like using a B grade actor to fill in for a sequal originally played by another actor. I thought her acting was quite poor for most of the film, same face was pulled pretty much the entire way.

 

Now her "awakening of the force" - It took Luke Months to learn the ways of the force and then even when he did he still sucked and Vader kicked his ass. She seems to do it in a few days with no real effort to be honest.

She also seems to be pretty good at swordcraft for someone who has never picked up a light sabre (sword or whatever) an amateur fighting someone who is partially trained would last say oooh er 3 or 4 seconds before being killed or seriously hurt. I did some swordplay lessons a few years ago and well yeah an amateur... no wait two amateurs (Fin) would not have lasted more than a few seconds. Unrealistic.

 

Also her ability to suddenly fly and know the detailed workings of the Mil Falcon and how to fly it like a pro after 30 seconds of trying and making a hash of it. Then there is the whole mind control thing.. If you just say it.. it wont work however if you look angry and stare at them it will. 3 attempts.. (sigh). I dont remembe Alec Guinness looking like this when doing mind control

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I could go on, the film felt very rushed and there is hardly any information for whats happened over the last 30 years, the script was weak and was the storyline.

To me it felt unfinished, not rounded - Also there were a bunch of continuity errors in it which irritated me beyond belief.

 

Verdict - hmm I don't know... I want it to be good, but I just don't think it is, better than 1,2 and 3 YES for sure but no where near 4,5,6.

 

Watched this last night and i felt absolutely the same. It was nothing more than a copy of whats already been made, with a thin story and poor dialogue spread even more thinly over two hours. The girl spends an afternoon thinking about using the force and can then fly spacecraft, control minds, read minds and fight a sith apprentice who apparently had the power to kill all the Jedi apprentice...yet can't beat her. And her acting? plastic isn't the word!

 

I think this threads positive reviews must come from the eyes of fans, sorry but that was not good. Even the musical score was missing a little something for a star wars film, usually so good. I could go on but all of the terrible points have been raised on previous pages. I wanted to enjoy that, but I just couldn't - 6 / 10

[Al Massey]

Don't forget Luke was never taught how to use a lightsabers properly or had any duels except with Vader.

So it's safe to assume Kylo Ren is limited in ability too.

 

Rei, fights with her staff, so she has years of experience with it, as shown multiple times.

 

Also she knows all the stories about Jedi's, which gets confirmed by Solo, so while she knows what they can do, and whilst under pressure and what she thinks is certain death, it's understandable to can use the force.

Don't forget the force is the medilcloriants and the ability to communicate with them.

[Hemanhead]

Firstly i should say i'm not a 'fan', but i can watch and enjoy the form of escapism they bring.

 

Don't forget Luke was never taught how to use a lightsabers properly or had any duels except with Vader.

 

Thats right, and he got his hand cut off didn't he? He lost and fell down a big hole (just like Hann solo did in this )

But she won because she hit a few people on the head with a staff, and can control and read minds because someone told her a few stories? Come on dude, the guy stops a shot from a gun, freezes it in time at the start of the film (a very good scene i thought).

This plot is soooo weak you'd have to be a fan to accept it, you shouldn't have to fill me in on all the sidestories and surrounding Lore, it's a film, it is the story.

[Kendo11]

^ No, as Al said the Jedi ability comes from the Midiclorians present inside the body of the Jedi, so the ability of her to use the force etc simply needed awakening.

 

"There has been an awakening, can you feel it" etc.

[Hemanhead]

It's a bit of a waste of time to discuss the failings of the film with star wars fans then because the answer to a weak and contrived storyline is (from what i can gather) the force can do whatever it wants?

 

Awesome. That still doesn't make it a good film.

[Wez]

I saw it over the weekend and enjoyed it.

 

Also reading about storm trooper JB-007 afterwards was funny, I wonder if he will make an appearance in the following films.

[Thorin]

Don't forget Luke was never taught how to use a lightsabers properly

 

Except by Obi-wan, and presumably Yoda.

[cered]

Think people are reading into it wayyyy too much, I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd go as far to say it's been my favourite, Daisy Ridley and Boyega were great newcomers IMO

[Kendo11]

I saw it over the weekend and enjoyed it.

 

Also reading about storm trooper JB-007 afterwards was funny, I wonder if he will make an appearance in the following films.

Hope so, love that designation

[Al Massey]

Don't forget this is a sequel, number 7 in the story.

So the whole story has been shown on screen, explained for 6 whole films.

 

There is no side story and surrounding lore.

 

Yes Ren has a good control of the force, it's also limited as shown in many scenes.

His emotions get the better of him every time.

Which as we know from the other films, emotions control the force, and lead to the dark side.

 

Think you will find, that more super fans are annoyed with the film, while non fans and many who have never seen a Star Wars actually enjoyed it.

 

The plot holes are from the actual fans and not causal viewers.

Except by Obi-wan, and presumably Yoda.

 

Obi wan only told him the basics, and didn't have much time with Luke.

And Yoda didn't teach him how to fight, only taught him how to use the force.

[Style]

Let's not forget that whilst fighting Fin and Rey, Kylo is nursing a gut wound which came in the form of a shot from Chewie's Bowcaster.

 

"The Empire should have just strapped this weaponised piece of screw you to the front of an asteroid, aimed it at Alderaan and saved themselves the trouble of housing a giant space station."

 

If the games have taught me anything, it's that the Bowcaster is pretty much the Mac-Daddy of weaponry. Han even makes a point of asking to use it during an earlier fire fight and with one pull of the trigger, sends multiple stormtroopers flying in various directions.

 

For Kylo to get hit by the full force of a Bowcaster shot, briefly take a knee, proceed to hunt down Fin and Rey and then take them on requires an unfathomable amount of strength and Force power. I'd put him at maybe 20% strength with the injury he is carrying even before he loses a limb and gets all sliced and diced. God knows what he'll be capable of once his emotions are a little more under control, he's recovered from wounds and using his rage to fuel his Dark Side.

 

I think he was intentionally put across as being weak because of the emotional turmoil he's going through. His lightsaber is a great representation of his mental state right now.

[Kendo11]

I think he was intentionally put across as being weak because of the emotional turmoil he's going through. His lightsaber is a great representation of his mental state right now.

 

Perfectly put.

[Sanya]

I am a Star Wars fan and I think this is the weakest film in terms of story telling.

 

Why did other Jedi not awaken the force within them? Or why did not she do that earlier if she new all the stories? =]]]

 

Why did Poe and Finn survive in TIE fighter it is not supposed to be hermetically sealed?

 

Why was Han smuggling again?

 

Also why is Leyas gang called resistance? Are they resisting the New republic now? If they hunt the Old Empire then there is no way they are resistance or are they? Why is the new republic not fighting the empire?

 

This movie is just a modernized version of previous films with a lot of spots not explained.

 

Don`t get me wrong it is a great Sci-Fi. Just not Star Wars.

[neilp9876]

If Luke didnt want to be found then why did he leave a map?

 

What woke R2D2 up at just the right time?

[Style]

I am a Star Wars fan and I think this is the weakest film in terms of story telling.

 

Why did other Jedi not awaken the force within them? Or why did not she do that earlier if she new all the stories? =]]]

 

There aren't any Jedi left. Luke's academy was trying to teach to ways of the Force to Padawan's from essentially scratch. Some are a lot more Force sensitive than others.

 

Rey understood it to all be myth/legend, so had no idea that the Force was even real let alone present within her.

 

Why did Poe and Finn survive in TIE fighter it is not supposed to be hermetically sealed?

 

They both bailed out in parachutes? You see Fin's next to him when he wakes up. He's still attached to his seat.

 

Why was Han smuggling again?

 

He tells Leia in the movie, it's the only thing he was ever good at. It was what he retreated back to when he lost his son to the dark side. Leia went back to doing what she did best as well, commanding an army. I'd imagine immediately after episode 6, everyone kind of retired to start a family.

 

Also why is Leyas gang called resistance? Are they resisting the New republic now? If they hunt the Old Empire then there is no way they are resistance or are they? Why is the new republic not fighting the empire?

 

This is fully explained in the opening crawl at the start of the movie. Leia is leading the Resistance which was assembled to find the whereabouts of Luke before the First Order and are backed by the Republic.

 

The First Order is rising up and attempting to wipe out the Republic as well as the last remaining Jedi (once again). So the Resistance was setup to.....resist this attempt

 

This movie is just a modernized version of previous films with a lot of spots not explained.

 

Don`t get me wrong it is a great Sci-Fi. Just not Star Wars.

 

I went to see it again last night and made sure I went in a bit more level headed than the over excited mess I was on the 17th of December. Still loved it The only quip I'll ever have with it is the massive similarity with the whole death star/death planet and the destruction of them both in virtually identical fashion.

 

If Luke didnt want to be found then why did he leave a map?

 

What woke R2D2 up at just the right time?

 

I would say he knew he would need to be found eventually after the collapse of his academy. Ben Solo had turned to the Dark Side which was once again rising. And R2 waking up was Luke again, the time had come for Rey to find him after her 'awakening'

[Kendo11]

If Luke didnt want to be found then why did he leave a map?

 

What woke R2D2 up at just the right time?

Han said at the start that Luke went to find the first Jedi temple, so it wasn't a map to Luke as such. The map is a map to the location that they are all looking for.

[Hemanhead]

Think the force has made a few people here temporarily blind