Pete Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Totally agree with Sanya. JJ Abrams is the master of reboots - which is exactly what he's done, remade A New Hope with a huge dollop of nostalgia bits. Sadly, it was so much so it is a parody of itself. Orphan on a sandy desert planet - check Cute droid - check Evil in a dark helmet - check (Didn't rate that actor) Bar full of weird aliens and music - check Ice planet - check Forest scene - check High precipice for someone to get thrown from - check (how obvious was it THAT was going to happen?) Shadowy, mysterious evil boss - check Bolshy commanding general - check Planet destroying Death star - check One single point of weakness? Of course! - check Crack pilot "Poe" - I thought that was a teletubby? How did it take Luke ages to learn the force and Rae had it in a jiffy without training? Need I go on? It's an excellent film and great fun, but I was hoping for a new story. The two young English actors did a great job and are good characters. It is testament of just how great the originals were that it still can't be improved on so many years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon07043278 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Why do these really high walkways never have handrails? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 They don`t have HSE this is why they developed so fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Totally agree with Sanya. JJ Abrams is the master of reboots - which is exactly what he's done, remade A New Hope with a huge dollop of nostalgia bits. Sadly, it was so much so it is a parody of itself. Orphan on a sandy desert planet - check Cute droid - check Evil in a dark helmet - check (Didn't rate that actor) Bar full of weird aliens and music - check Ice planet - check Forest scene - check High precipice for someone to get thrown from - check (how obvious was it THAT was going to happen?) Shadowy, mysterious evil boss - check Bolshy commanding general - check Planet destroying Death star - check One single point of weakness? Of course! - check Crack pilot "Poe" - I thought that was a teletubby? How did it take Luke ages to learn the force and Rae had it in a jiffy without training? Need I go on? It's an excellent film and great fun, but I was hoping for a new story. The two young English actors did a great job and are good characters. It is testament of just how great the originals were that it still can't be improved on so many years later. if you remove or change all or even some of those points... its not a starwars film any more. "i love fast and furious films. but i dont like the cars, and vin diesel sucks, and there are too many stunts. so they should remove them for the next film." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 if you remove or change all or even some of those points... its not a starwars film any more. "i love fast and furious films. but i dont like the cars, and vin diesel sucks, and there are too many stunts. so they should remove them for the next film." I'm with Pete and Sanya I'm afraid. It's a continuation of the story line, not a re-make of the original so they could've at least made some effort to put a slight change of events. It was all going well for me until the final battle scene started to take shape. Point of weakness, destroy the shields on a planet then attack etc. etc. It was a bit too much and showed laziness IMO That's my only real quip with it all, loved it otherwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 You guys are likely going to be disappointed by the next instalment then as I'm fairly certain it was deliberate to show the force cycles. I believe the next one will be an almost mirror image of the empire strikes back. Hopefully they can afford a wookie budget for the 3rd one though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm quite happy for that to happen, just as long as they at least give us something a little different to keep us on our toes. Even changing the death star to a damn ship or something, does it always have to be spherical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I'm quite happy for that to happen, just as long as they at least give us something a little different to keep us on our toes. Even changing the death star to a damn ship or something, does it always have to be spherical? I think Star Trek own the rights to cubes, it's likely Stargate that has the trapezoids so there's not a lot of options left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 You guys are likely going to be disappointed by the next instalment then as I'm fairly certain it was deliberate to show the force cycles. I believe the next one will be an almost mirror image of the empire strikes back. Hopefully they can afford a wookie budget for the 3rd one though That was one of the strengths of the prequel trilogy. It had the spacebattles, lightsaber fights, escaping the enemy etc immediate threats you got from the original trilogy, but it also had the looming, cunning malovence of the greater evil constantly pulling the strings in the background, working it's way into political power. I just don't see Snoke being on the same level as palatine in that regard, who had subtly affected everything to his favour over many decades. Also, a remake of the Empire Strikes Back is risky. It is generally considered to be the best of all the films. Plus, I don't see how they could unless somehow Han solo survived. I do think we'll see a lot of dagobah style training though, both with Rey and Kylo Rentboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Ren is a great character. Hes like a Emo, junior sith. His rages and smashing stuff up when it does not go his way is very immature compared to what vader was doing. The really big question for me What did he mean when he was looking at vaders helmet, "show me again" "give me another sign" He getting some kind of flash backs from that? Or is Vader talking to him via the force? but wasnt vader saved at the end the jedi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Totally agree with Sanya. JJ Abrams is the master of reboots - which is exactly what he's done, remade A New Hope with a huge dollop of nostalgia bits. Sadly, it was so much so it is a parody of itself. Orphan on a sandy desert planet - check Cute droid - check Evil in a dark helmet - check (Didn't rate that actor) Bar full of weird aliens and music - check Ice planet - check Forest scene - check High precipice for someone to get thrown from - check (how obvious was it THAT was going to happen?) Shadowy, mysterious evil boss - check Bolshy commanding general - check Planet destroying Death star - check One single point of weakness? Of course! - check Crack pilot "Poe" - I thought that was a teletubby? How did it take Luke ages to learn the force and Rae had it in a jiffy without training? Need I go on? It's an excellent film and great fun, but I was hoping for a new story. The two young English actors did a great job and are good characters. It is testament of just how great the originals were that it still can't be improved on so many years later. Completely agree regarding the story. I enjoyed the film, but come up with some other ideas for christ sake. The forced friendship with Finn and Poe really annoyed me, started off on different sides, spent 2 minutes together escaping, and then they meet up like long lost buddies? Gah! I just thought Poe was annoying, like a toned down Ace Rimmer or Lord Flashheart, were we supposed to like him? I didn't like the actor who played General Hux either (one of the Weasley's from Harry Potter?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 That was one of the strengths of the prequel trilogy. It had the spacebattles, lightsaber fights, escaping the enemy etc immediate threats you got from the original trilogy, but it also had the looming, cunning malovence of the greater evil constantly pulling the strings in the background, working it's way into political power. I just don't see Snoke being on the same level as palatine in that regard, who had subtly affected everything to his favour over many decades. Also, a remake of the Empire Strikes Back is risky. It is generally considered to be the best of all the films. Plus, I don't see how they could unless somehow Han solo survived. I do think we'll see a lot of dagobah style training though, both with Rey and Kylo Rentboy. My impression was that Fin has kind of taken Hans role now and if anyone is going to be frozen in carbonite, it's him Wouldn't be surprised if we saw Lando and a new bounty hunter in the next film. Just hoping it plays out a little different from the Empire Strikes Back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Yeess, yesss.... Join the dark side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I don't think there's force cycles as how would you explain the first trilogy or even other jedi's. I think Poe has the force and possibly Finn. I think more people will be found with the force. Remaking the Jedi council and so forth. I understood where they went with Finn and Poe reuniting and being best friends. It actually does happen, it's happened to many soldiers in Afghan and Iraq. They went through a daunting and near death experience together, they were thrust to each and had to trust each other. That bond is strong. Finn is ultimately a good guy, so understandable why he felt something for Poe who helped him escape. Ren was a great character with his tantrums, he's not fully trained Jedi or Sith, but he's one ugly person. Surely Han Solo and leia would have a good looking baby. There's a rumour that Finn is lando's son, and that's stemmed from merchandise that's out now. Rei, (sp) I reckon is someone's kid that was kidnapped or dumped, possibly Luke's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 According the skywalker family tree, Ben Skywalker is Lukes Son, however Disney ponies and rainbows transformed him to Solos son. Soo, because things like that can happen, only Dalai Lama knows what's planned in other episodes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 if you remove or change all or even some of those points... its not a starwars film any more. "i love fast and furious films. but i dont like the cars, and vin diesel sucks, and there are too many stunts. so they should remove them for the next film." Ha ha - funny thing is, I felt exactly that way about those films too. I just think they could've deviated a bit from the formula to make something a bit more original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Rei, (sp) I reckon is someone's kid that was kidnapped or dumped, possibly Luke's. Yeah, that was my guess too. There's another school of thought that says the "big evil" Snoke turns out to be Luke. Not sure I'm buying that idea though. I reckon he'll turn out to be a warped version of Jiminy Cricket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 According the skywalker family tree, Ben Skywalker is Lukes Son, however Disney ponies and rainbows transformed him to Solos son. Soo, because things like that can happen, only Dalai Lama knows what's planned in other episodes.. If you are talking about third party books, they aren't considered canonical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Late to the party, but here goes: Saw it on Friday and I loved it. I've been buzzing like crazy after how good the trailers felt and looked and the film didn't disappoint. In summary it was the film the fans needed to see to get the franchise back on track after the prequels (I quite liked the 3rd one- probably because it was extensively reworked to try and appease fan anger at the previous 2) Not too much to dislike so I'll start with that: The tenticle monsters looked TV quality and thankfully it wasn't a sign of things to come. I felt hans "event" (incase this bit is showing on front page) was kind of brushed off a bit, even though it's obviously a huge deal, but I realise how much they were trying to cram in and more will no doubt be made of it in episode VIII. Captain Phasma was a pretty weak character after all the hype. (The costume was a concept originally for Kylo Ren and JJ Abrams liked it so much he wanted to include it. It shows that she was really just there to look cool and was written in as an after thought. ) The whole Death Star thing again- I don't know. Supreme leader Snoke- I was terrified at first he was a giant so I was relieved when I realised it was just a big hologram but I didn't see the need for him to be CGI (apparently because the concept art of his face was to complicated to do it any other way) but I've not really bought into him yet; I get that this film is really just setting the stage for the story to be told but the First order definitely aren't as intimidating as the old Empire before them were. Best bits I can remember: The bit where Rey and Fin are running to the ship and they dismiss a "junk heap" (or close to it) in favour for the ship that gets blown up as they are runing to it, and then take their reluctant 2nd option. Great way to introduce the falcon and caught me completely off guard. How good is Reys character? Daisy Ridley nailed it and you can feel the untamed power "awakening" within her while Adam drivers terrified face as kylo Ren is shocked at how powerful she is. Loved her story line. I've been cringing at all of John Boyegas press work in the run up as he comes accross very annoying imo, but he completely won me over as Fin and had on screen charisma that didn't look out of place next to Harrison ford; no mean feat. I liked that he wasn't the focus of the story like everyone thought he would be (all the images of him holding a lightsabre were to hide the real story that it's Rey that's the force sensitive character. ) The feel of it felt authentic and the real sets and filming locations really made it feel special and sucked you into the world with ease. BB8 is really cool, he's got just as much character as R2-D2 while being his own thing. He added to the comedy factor as all Star Wars droids have done previously, but I also enjoyed the humour between the characters (it stretched the limit on how much it could get away with I agree) I loved the bit where when on the ice planet Han turns to chewie and says "oh, you're cold" Poe Dameron was great too, his facing upto Kylo Ren at the start was ace. The shot of Han walking into the bridge with Ben Solo (as he is really at that point) where the light is shining on them is a gorgeous shot, and one that is fitting for Hans end. I really kept swaying from what I thought was going to happen when he was saying that he was being torn apart and asks Han for his help and holds out his lightsabre. At the first moment I played it out being very cold, just switching it on and it going through him, Bens face not even flinching; but then when he extends his lightsabre to Han I'm thinking he's asking him to help him kill himself to stop him being consumed by the dark side- only to see his grip tighten and his decision being made at that moment. I liked how it was so telegraphed but still got me doubting it would happen. (Don't know of anyone else in the small number of people I've spoken to about it that read it that way) I'm looking forward to seeing Rey being trained and Kylo being trained also for round 2 as they are both rough round the edges at the moment (I liked that about both of them) The expanded universe: Although it's true they have been officially not recognised in the timeline of the films; they have had an influence on them. The Knights of Ren are from the EU and so is Luke starting a Jedi Temple to train a new generation of Jedi. Points of interest: The rule of two. This relates to the fact that there can only ever be 2 Syth; a master that holds power and an apprentice who craves it. Supreme leader Snoke has some serious credentials to fulfil in the next film if he's to be taken seriously. I think Kylo Ren plays the part of the petulant apprentice really well. Temper tantrums and all. In the flashback scene where Rey touches Luke's lightsabre (formally Anikin's and it's now found her- meaning I'm pretty sure she will be lukes daughter) there are voice overs of Ben kenobi, which is actually Ewan Mcgreggors voice as he was asked to record a voice over for the part- and also the voice that says "Rey you've taken your first steps" is actually Alec Guinness (who is obviously dead). They used a recording of him explained here by JJ: I said, ‘That’s cool, is that the thing from Ewan McGregor?’ He said ‘No, we took a line from Alec Guinness saying ‘Afraid.’ They cut it, and you hear the performance – he’s saying it the way I would have begged Alec Guinness to have said it. It is so crazy perfect. So when you hear Obi-Wan talk to Rey it is both Alec Guinness and Ewan McGregor doing the voice.” Frank Oz also re recorded dialogue for yodas voice over but it was decided to re use original dialogue from the original films. I think based on this and Kylo Rens obsession with Vader we will hear James Earl Jones return as the Voice of Darth Vader when talking to him in episode VIII. It's roumoured that Daniel Craig is the storm trooper that Rey mind controls to escape. (He's inside the suit) When Harrison Ford had the door of the Millennium Falcon break his leg, JJ Abrams broke his lower back trying to lift it off him and kept it secret for months. Wow. I got into that and didn't stop!- I could keep going. It was great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I can't believe that supposed adults not only pay to watch this American kid's junk, but then go on to seriously discuss and review it I would need paying to endure it, and insist on a paper bag on my head. The power of the advertising agencies is terrifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Bah humbug chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Simon Pegg also played a cameo as a stormtrooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Adult - is a grown up and matured child. You still have a child stuck in you... forever! Why are you so Nationalistic Chris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Perhaps because I am a Nationalist? Bring back the Empire, put a few sticks across the backs of Johnny Foreigner I have a Cecil Rhodes tea mug.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hah ) ok ok, it must be extremely difficult for you to live in a modern society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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