j_jza80 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just seen an interview on the BBC with Masrour Barzani, Head of Security and Intelligence for the KDP. When describing the ways in which the world must fight Isis, he said this: "It is mostly for the Islamic countries to fight ISIS with a more moderate version of Islam's ideology" I think that quite clearly says that religion is the basis on which Isis is built. I'll try and find a link. Skip to 2:05 for the quote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Just caught some of that too, follow him on twitter and he's pretty good at being open with opinions etc. He also said "if the world community became fully engaged isis would be defeated within two weeks" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Again with the Isis killed more Muslims. Yes we know that is fact. There has been no denying that, but there's also no denying that they are killing loads of other faiths and beliefs. So is Egypt, Israel and many other countries that aren't in disarray Oh wait, is this another blame the US thing? Indeed, so we have clarified that they do not care what beliefs you have, they will kill you. Especially if you are a Muslim. Correct, so 25 years of terror in the Middle East is not correct either. Some blame lies with them, not the people of the US nor the soldiers as they are just carrying out orders but the ones who have created the environment we live in today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Indeed, so we have clarified that they do not care what beliefs you have, they will kill you. Especially if you are a Muslim. We don even need to discuss that. Paris is proof of that, twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 What do people make of this video? Can anyone translate the posters/flags? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/afghanistan-pakistan/isis-in-afghanistan/isis-in-afghanistan-school-of-jihad/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 We don even need to discuss that. Paris is proof of that, twice. An other parts of the world daily but I guess ISIS killing Muslims isn't so bad, we don't need to focus on that bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Two British extremists found on a train in Hungary, even though they're supposed to be banned from travelling... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12003320/British-extremist-pair-stopped-in-Hungary-after-one-is-cleared-of-trying-to-join-Isil.html How are we supposed to get a grip on this when we don't even know who's coming and going?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 An other parts of the world daily but I guess ISIS killing Muslims isn't so bad, we don't need to focus on that bit. Ive seen people try and make out that the prevalence of the Paris attacks in the western media, with little said about the various attrocities if Africa, the Middle East etc constitutes some kind of racism. The tag #muslimlivesmatter seems to be doing the rounds. With the exception of a tiny racist minority, no one thinks that, but the way Paris has been reported is only natural. To put it into context, imagine 2 people being murdered. One in another country, the other at the end of your street. Which would you show the most interest in? Physically and culturally, we are much closer to the French than the other nations. I would personally like to.see more done about boko harm, as they appear to be even more brutal than Isis (if that's even possible) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The trouble with the issue of western intervention/interference is no one can truely say what would have happened to the present day if everything had been left to its own devices? People will come up with their own version in line with their current thoughts but I don't think there is a universal right answer is there? Saying that if we'd never have set foot in this area it's hard to think that we'd be in any danger right now isn't it? like say Japan a westernised culture but not at the top of anyone's hit list as since ww2 they've kept themselves to themselves. But then perhaps if Saddam Hussein hadn't have been removed then things may have escalated dramatically, and if we'd not agreed to support the US in doing that then may be that would have hurt us in the long run, economically or future defence support? Like I say who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 An other parts of the world daily but I guess ISIS killing Muslims isn't so bad, we don't need to focus on that bit. You follow me on Facebook, surely you've seen me kicking off at the sheep for having the French flag but nothing for anybody else? Constantly slating the sheep and attention seekers. I have never once said that Isis killing Muslims is less then killing none Muslims. And further down this post and others like this you will see me reminding people of that fact many times over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 What do people make of this video? Can anyone translate the posters/flags? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/afghanistan-pakistan/isis-in-afghanistan/isis-in-afghanistan-school-of-jihad/ Just asked a few people will reply soon as I get an answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Ive seen people try and make out that the prevalence of the Paris attacks in the western media, with little said about the various attrocities if Africa, the Middle East etc constitutes some kind of racism. The tag #muslimlivesmatter seems to be doing the rounds. With the exception of a tiny racist minority, no one thinks that, but the way Paris has been reported is only natural. To put it into context, imagine 2 people being murdered. One in another country, the other at the end of your street. Which would you show the most interest in? Physically and culturally, we are much closer to the French than the other nations. I would personally like to.see more done about boko harm, as they appear to be even more brutal than Isis (if that's even possible) The issue I have is that we are now in so many ways a much smaller world. We want trade, e-commerce, communication, news, transport, everything from every corner of the world in an absolute nanosecond. Yet in terms of atrocities it's very easy to turn a blind eye. Take Facebook for example, Lebanon are very rightfully asking where there "I'm safe" button was during their recent terrorist attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 The trouble with the issue of western intervention/interference is no one can truely say what would have happened to the present day if everything had been left to its own devices? People will come up with their own version in line with their current thoughts but I don't think there is a universal right answer is there? Saying that if we'd never have set foot in this area it's hard to think that we'd be in any danger right now isn't it? like say Japan a westernised culture but not at the top of anyone's hit list as since ww2 they've kept themselves to themselves. But then perhaps if Saddam Hussein hadn't have been removed then things may have escalated dramatically, and if we'd not agreed to support the US in doing that then may be that would have hurt us in the long run, economically or future defence support? Like I say who knows? Difficult one isn't it. The one main question I keep coming back to is what about the civilians. Russia have launched over 2,000 bombing runs over Syria recently, and have been to provide evidence only TWO definitely struck isis. Japan is a weird one, like you said they've kept themselves to themselves but also escaped a lot of further punishment. A lot of the experiments they did at Unit731 got handed over to the allies and they kind of got away with that one to a point. Think Nazi experiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 What do people make of this video? Can anyone translate the posters/flags? http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/afghanistan-pakistan/isis-in-afghanistan/isis-in-afghanistan-school-of-jihad/ Al, they say "no God except Allah". It's Urdu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Al, they say "no God except Allah". It's Urdu. And that is classic religion...l'm right so you can't be, even lots of non violent religious people will quietly think I'm damned for my lack of faith. The terrorists leaders most powerful weapon is that their minions can be convinced (or simply grow up) to believe there is a better life after this, combine that with an impressionable disillusioned vengeful man and you have someone willing to blow themselves and others to bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 This part of the world could do without any more racial tension. We all know what happened last time; http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/two-soldiers-dead-four-wounded-in-attack-in-sarajevo-11-18-2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 This part of the world could do without any more racial tension. We all know what happened last time; http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/two-soldiers-dead-four-wounded-in-attack-in-sarajevo-11-18-2015 I spent much of the 90s in the Balkans and can tell you this is just as much as a powder keg now as it has always been. Kosovans for example sing and teach their kids the song of Kosovo like it has just been written, it was written after the battle of Kosovo in 1389. Peace/stability in the region just teeters on the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Two British extremists found on a train in Hungary, even though they're supposed to be banned from travelling... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/12003320/British-extremist-pair-stopped-in-Hungary-after-one-is-cleared-of-trying-to-join-Isil.html How are we supposed to get a grip on this when we don't even know who's coming and going?? our lack of intelligence services is shocking - akin to the after the fact french intelligence service - putting all the pieces together now that hundreds have lost their lives - i fail to see the point. Inept is a good way to describe us Brits and Europeans - they cant safeguard the average joe from anyone left alone ISIS. All our services know how to do is send us a tax bill, monitor our internet for Porn, give us parking tickets and send the bailiffs if we dont pay for a TV license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Ive seen people try and make out that the prevalence of the Paris attacks in the western media, with little said about the various attrocities if Africa, the Middle East etc constitutes some kind of racism. The tag #muslimlivesmatter seems to be doing the rounds. With the exception of a tiny racist minority, no one thinks that, but the way Paris has been reported is only natural. To put it into context, imagine 2 people being murdered. One in another country, the other at the end of your street. Which would you show the most interest in? Physically and culturally, we are much closer to the French than the other nations. I would personally like to.see more done about boko harm, as they appear to be even more brutal than Isis (if that's even possible) ive seen this excuse used in the past - as I have said before we are good at reacting to symptoms like what the French are now doing - no one is looking at the root causes of the issues - unless that is being discussed, being addressed we will simply be waiting for the next european city to be hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 The trouble with the issue of western intervention/interference is no one can truely say what would have happened to the present day if everything had been left to its own devices? People will come up with their own version in line with their current thoughts but I don't think there is a universal right answer is there? Saying that if we'd never have set foot in this area it's hard to think that we'd be in any danger right now isn't it? like say Japan a westernised culture but not at the top of anyone's hit list as since ww2 they've kept themselves to themselves. But then perhaps if Saddam Hussein hadn't have been removed then things may have escalated dramatically, and if we'd not agreed to support the US in doing that then may be that would have hurt us in the long run, economically or future defence support? Like I say who knows? last 25 years should be enough of a track record - yet our politicians seem keen on making the same "mistakes" again - or are they?? i've already covered the business model in my post - sorry Al - it is NOT A FACT though - unlike you, not in the know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Or is that FACT that Israel fund them and arm them? Must be Possibly - their establishment is run by war criminals - so would not put it past them. Sorry again - speculation on my part - no facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Possibly - their establishment is run by war criminals - so would not put it past them. Sorry again - speculation on my part - no facts. So is palestines, are they arming and funding Isis as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Palestine (Hamas) are supplied by Iran & Russia, and are (despite what you'd think) enemies of Isis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 our lack of intelligence services is shocking - akin to the after the fact french intelligence service - putting all the pieces together now that hundreds have lost their lives - i fail to see the point. Inept is a good way to describe us Brits and Europeans - they cant safeguard the average joe from anyone left alone ISIS. All our services know how to do is send us a tax bill, monitor our internet for Porn, give us parking tickets and send the bailiffs if we dont pay for a TV license. You make an unarguable point there Imi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Palestine (Hamas) are supplied by Iran & Russia, and are (despite what you'd think) enemies of Isis. It's only like looking at Hitler and Stalin. Both hated each other, claim to be different but actually identical in the most monstrous ways imaginable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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