imi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I also read today that IS are allegedly selling organs (as in human organs) to Turkey which if there is even a trace of truth is absolutely mental Reminds me of this from another terrorist nation http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Reminds me of this from another terrorist nation http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs Does not surprise me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Does not surprise me at all. What should be surprising is the double standards. Hence why I poo poo their fake empathy for the Syrians - these people will twist words, conjure up imaginative threats, leverage the media to a spinup hysteria, create divisions, fear, attacks - stoop to anything in order to achieve their goal - (business model = cash cow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 What should be surprising is the double standards. Hence why I poo poo their fake empathy for the Syrians - these people will twist words, conjure up imaginative threats, leverage the media to a spinup hysteria, create divisions, fear, attacks - stoop to anything in order to achieve their goal - (business model = cash cow) Israel funnily enough are allegedly bombing regime forces this evening. Their angle on this is purely the oil reserves in the Golan Heights imho. They'd probably quite happily sit back and watch half the Arab world destroy itself otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla. surprised that none of you find that surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 26, 2015 Author Share Posted November 26, 2015 - You're clutching on straws. It was a valid point. Please explain why democracy plays second fiddle to big business, after I gave you a clear example of quite the opposite? I actually agree that there are vested interests who have too much influence. But as I said, you are generalising about hundreds of people, many of whom serve their constituents very well. It sounds more like you have bought into the anti western rhetoric and propaganda that is spread by the extremists. The irrational preoccupation with Palestine / Israel is evidence of such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla. surprised that none of you find that surprising. IS did say a week or two ago that no Jew would be left alive on the planet. My take on it is that Israel are more preoccupied with the ongoing violence in their own country, and are probably secretly hoping IS make good on their threats to take the fight to Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It was a valid point. Please explain why democracy plays second fiddle to big business, after I gave you a clear example of quite the opposite? . Your question is bordering on being a rhetorical one - I don't want to get involved in a tittle tatter to and fro. I actually agree that there are vested interests who have too much influence. But as I said, you are generalising about hundreds of people, many of whom serve their constituents very well. It sounds more like you have bought into the anti western rhetoric and propaganda that is spread by the extremists. The irrational preoccupation with Palestine / Israel is evidence of such. Nice one - take things out of context, blow things out of proportion, ignore the sources of the reports, sensationalize some of the commentary to suit your agenda......I'm sensing some common traits here. I am here to have a discussion and debate with open minded people - not to play your silly games. . Enjoy your evening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla. surprised that none of you find that surprising. I find it totally unsurprising, they are thinkers, with a huge global influence through the media and politics. As a hugely cerebral race they play it cool, but when necessary use a very big stick. Once they become embroiled in the big game the world should pay great attention. Fire power is not the be all and end all, influence in the highest places has seen their survival and their thriving, and will probably see them through the next conflicts, if not unscathed but as survivors and ongoing deciders. A tiny state, but a massive western influence. Even if you hate them, there's something one cannot deny about their survivalist instincts and tenacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 IS did say a week or two ago that no Jew would be left alive on the planet. My take on it is that Israel are more preoccupied with the ongoing violence in their own country, and are probably secretly hoping IS make good on their threats to take the fight to Hamas. Oh really - so they are confirming to the usual nutters I missed that. Any link to that report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'm not getting drawn into insults. I'm sure people can read this thread, and decide for themselves who is being open minded and who is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla. surprised that none of you find that surprising. We've already discussed this point, Would you threaten Israel? Remember that all the surrounding Arab nations have tried to take out Israel from the start and got their arses handed to them. Israel are bigger, stronger and smarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Oh really - so they are confirming to the usual nutters I missed that. Any link to that report. http://m.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/ISIS-in-Sinai-threatens-to-attack-Israel-432684#article=6018MjA2QjRBMjE2QTQ2NzIzNzE2RkI4NDc4MkY1RUEwOUI= http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614235/Islamic-State-Holocaust-vow-kill-Jewish-people-ISIS-Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Worth 5 minutes of your time. Award winning independent journalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 If these guys are willing to blow themselves up then why not attack Israel then? Clearly those guys are not afraid of death. This whole situation is fishy as fook and I dont know what or who to believe, certainly don't believe the news. I saw a video earlier on facebook with an ex american solider who made some very good points, ill try finding the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 If these guys are willing to blow themselves up then why not attack Israel then? Clearly those guys are not afraid of death. This whole situation is fishy as fook and I dont know what or who to believe, certainly don't believe the news. I saw a video earlier on facebook with an ex american solider who made some very good points, ill try finding the link. Agree - hard to know what to believe - certainly take what the media push out with a pinch of salt. What I normally do is follow the money trail - hence the business model that I posted earlier (seems to apply to this arms and resource race). And certainly don't believe people that are prepared to bomb a foreign land on humanitarian ground for their local security - that is illogical and its a blatant lie. This was interesting from Livingstone last night - cause and effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 The same Ken Livingstone who supports firing rockets indiscriminately into civilian populations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 imi, you were starting to make some sence but then ruined it all by mentioning Red Ken. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622509/video-Ken-Livingstone-London-terror-attacks-Tony-Blair-Iraq-BBC-Question-Time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Anyway, nice to see Labour sticking together, at least that racist bitch Dianne Abbott is supporting her leader but then maybe that's cause he shagged her years back? Yet another reason why he's a knobber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Dianne Abbott The most hateful person in British politics. She is just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 The most hateful person in British politics. She is just awful. Agreed, nearly as racist as 'Baroness' (lol) Doreen Lawrence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Racism is just a part of her repertoire. She is the epitome of 'Champagne Socialism', with her snout firmly in the expenses trough, and berating private education while sending her children to private school. And she is 'swivel eyed loon' incarnate. Condescending, rude, sexist, racist. Just awful. Just awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 imi, you were starting to make some sence but then ruined it all by mentioning Red Ken. http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622509/video-Ken-Livingstone-London-terror-attacks-Tony-Blair-Iraq-BBC-Question-Time I am not a fan of the man - think he is responsible for bringing London to its knees with his movement against the motorists, having said that found it interesting at the reaction of what he said - as mentioned earlier - some (inc media) are super quick to sensationalise, quote out of context, draw conclusions, blow out of proportion in order to discredit not just the person but kill the conversation and shut down all debate - which i think is not healthy for a modern civil democracy. I watched the video clip and as much as I despise the guy I didn't get the impression that he was placing all the blame on blair and absolving the terrorists of any responsibility - he was placing SOME blair for creating the environment that act as nutter triggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 This is the bloke I was talking about earlier, although its a shame that the other guys parts are edited out. The video I saw on Facebook also included an american talk show I do not recognise the men as its from the 90s but they were talking about the Israeli secret service who are known as the Mossad and if the CIA or people were referring to them in English what they would be called "Israeli Secret Intelligent Service or ISIS, the guy mentions this in the early 90s! [video=youtube;ltV-zdKdpDA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltV-zdKdpDA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Thx for posting - Shame the mainstream media don't seem to promote this alternate expert view - that seems to explain the business model, the real players behind the game that we are all being forced to play. Would be good to have a debate around this too in the mainstream media Now the usual suspects will be frantically looking for a video (anything) to try and discredit mr okeefe and water down everything he said. Predictable Managed to find some info on the document he was referring to http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815 Will have a look at this later. See if what he says is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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