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The Islamist attack in Paris 13-11-15


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Does not surprise me at all.

 

What should be surprising is the double standards.

 

Hence why I poo poo their fake empathy for the Syrians - these people will twist words, conjure up imaginative threats, leverage the media to a spinup hysteria, create divisions, fear, attacks - stoop to anything in order to achieve their goal - (business model = cash cow)

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What should be surprising is the double standards.

 

Hence why I poo poo their fake empathy for the Syrians - these people will twist words, conjure up imaginative threats, leverage the media to a spinup hysteria, create divisions, fear, attacks - stoop to anything in order to achieve their goal - (business model = cash cow)

Israel funnily enough are allegedly bombing regime forces this evening. Their angle on this is purely the oil reserves in the Golan Heights imho. They'd probably quite happily sit back and watch half the Arab world destroy itself otherwise.

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It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla.

 

surprised that none of you find that surprising.

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:) - You're clutching on straws.

 

It was a valid point. Please explain why democracy plays second fiddle to big business, after I gave you a clear example of quite the opposite?

 

I actually agree that there are vested interests who have too much influence. But as I said, you are generalising about hundreds of people, many of whom serve their constituents very well.

 

It sounds more like you have bought into the anti western rhetoric and propaganda that is spread by the extremists. The irrational preoccupation with Palestine / Israel is evidence of such.

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It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla.

 

surprised that none of you find that surprising.

IS did say a week or two ago that no Jew would be left alive on the planet.

 

My take on it is that Israel are more preoccupied with the ongoing violence in their own country, and are probably secretly hoping IS make good on their threats to take the fight to Hamas.

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It was a valid point. Please explain why democracy plays second fiddle to big business, after I gave you a clear example of quite the opposite? .

 

Your question is bordering on being a rhetorical one - I don't want to get involved in a tittle tatter to and fro.

 

I actually agree that there are vested interests who have too much influence. But as I said, you are generalising about hundreds of people, many of whom serve their constituents very well.

 

It sounds more like you have bought into the anti western rhetoric and propaganda that is spread by the extremists. The irrational preoccupation with Palestine / Israel is evidence of such.

 

Nice one - take things out of context, blow things out of proportion, ignore the sources of the reports, sensationalize some of the commentary to suit your agenda......I'm sensing some common traits here.

 

I am here to have a discussion and debate with open minded people - not to play your silly games. . Enjoy your evening

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It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla.

 

surprised that none of you find that surprising.

 

I find it totally unsurprising, they are thinkers, with a huge global influence through the media and politics. As a hugely cerebral race they play it cool, but when necessary use a very big stick. Once they become embroiled in the big game the world should pay great attention. Fire power is not the be all and end all, influence in the highest places has seen their survival and their thriving, and will probably see them through the next conflicts, if not unscathed but as survivors and ongoing deciders. A tiny state, but a massive western influence. Even if you hate them, there's something one cannot deny about their survivalist instincts and tenacity.

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IS did say a week or two ago that no Jew would be left alive on the planet.

 

My take on it is that Israel are more preoccupied with the ongoing violence in their own country, and are probably secretly hoping IS make good on their threats to take the fight to Hamas.

 

Oh really - so they are confirming to the usual nutters

 

I missed that. Any link to that report.

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It's a miracle that IS never seem to threaten or even mention Israel......that goes against everything we have been told about Islamic nutters over the decades. With regards to IS we have been led to believe that they make Al-qeada look like the Telly tubbies in comparison. So organized, well armed, they are everywhere - Bla Bla.

 

surprised that none of you find that surprising.

 

We've already discussed this point,

Would you threaten Israel?

 

Remember that all the surrounding Arab nations have tried to take out Israel from the start and got their arses handed to them.

Israel are bigger, stronger and smarter.

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If these guys are willing to blow themselves up then why not attack Israel then? Clearly those guys are not afraid of death. This whole situation is fishy as fook and I dont know what or who to believe, certainly don't believe the news.

 

I saw a video earlier on facebook with an ex american solider who made some very good points, ill try finding the link.

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If these guys are willing to blow themselves up then why not attack Israel then? Clearly those guys are not afraid of death. This whole situation is fishy as fook and I dont know what or who to believe, certainly don't believe the news.

 

I saw a video earlier on facebook with an ex american solider who made some very good points, ill try finding the link.

 

Agree - hard to know what to believe - certainly take what the media push out with a pinch of salt. What I normally do is follow the money trail - hence the business model that I posted earlier (seems to apply to this arms and resource race).

 

And certainly don't believe people that are prepared to bomb a foreign land on humanitarian ground for their local security - that is illogical and its a blatant lie.

 

This was interesting from Livingstone last night - cause and effect.

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Racism is just a part of her repertoire. She is the epitome of 'Champagne Socialism', with her snout firmly in the expenses trough, and berating private education while sending her children to private school.

 

And she is 'swivel eyed loon' incarnate. Condescending, rude, sexist, racist. Just awful.

 

Just awful.

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imi, you were starting to make some sence but then ruined it all by mentioning Red Ken.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/622509/video-Ken-Livingstone-London-terror-attacks-Tony-Blair-Iraq-BBC-Question-Time

 

I am not a fan of the man - think he is responsible for bringing London to its knees with his movement against the motorists, having said that found it interesting at the reaction of what he said - as mentioned earlier - some (inc media) are super quick to sensationalise, quote out of context, draw conclusions, blow out of proportion in order to discredit not just the person but kill the conversation and shut down all debate - which i think is not healthy for a modern civil democracy.

 

 

I watched the video clip and as much as I despise the guy I didn't get the impression that he was placing all the blame on blair and absolving the terrorists of any responsibility - he was placing SOME blair for creating the environment that act as nutter triggers.

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This is the bloke I was talking about earlier, although its a shame that the other guys parts are edited out. The video I saw on Facebook also included an american talk show I do not recognise the men as its from the 90s but they were talking about the Israeli secret service who are known as the Mossad and if the CIA or people were referring to them in English what they would be called "Israeli Secret Intelligent Service or ISIS, the guy mentions this in the early 90s!

 

 

[video=youtube;ltV-zdKdpDA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltV-zdKdpDA

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Thx for posting - Shame the mainstream media don't seem to promote this alternate expert view - that seems to explain the business model, the real players behind the game that we are all being forced to play. Would be good to have a debate around this too in the mainstream media

 

Now the usual suspects will be frantically looking for a video (anything) to try and discredit mr okeefe and water down everything he said. Predictable :(

 

 

Managed to find some info on the document he was referring to

http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

 

Will have a look at this later. See if what he says is true.

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