j_jza80 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 Vast majority? Source for your figures? Page 3: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/b0377f79-f06d-4263-aa5b-cc9b4f6a838f Are those across the region affected by Isis less or more worthy of refuge than Syrians, or equally? many are coming from Etria, Pakistan, sub Saharan Africa etc. My point was more specifically about the Syria situation. Have you missed that they are killing more Muslims than non Muslims, and that the majority of what they do goes against Islam? No, I made that very point myself. Just because they are killing Muslims, doesn't mean they aren't Muslims. The history of the Abrahamic religions is rife with internal struggles. In fact, the rivalry between Shia and Sunni is still prominent to this day. Look at the sectarian issues in NI, both sides are Christian. I don't see how you can legitimately argue that this has nothing to do with Islam. I mean, to start with they are calling themselves 'Islamic State', and their recruits come from all over the world, their one common factor is them being Muslim. Unless IS has an Atheist, Jewish, or Christian arm I'm not aware of? I have been told repeatedly, and I 100% accept that Islam, and 99.99999999999999999999% of Muslims do not condone IS. But IS are clearly exploiting something in Islam, the basic facts of this are obvious to see. Perhaps this provides some insight into this violent and vocal minority? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html If religion plays no part in the selection process, are you suggesting there would be no preference to taking Christian refugees over Muslims? Assume you've missed the stories about America recently then? I was suggesting that I, and most rational people would have no preference. We live in a predominantly atheist / agnostic multicultural society, religion is all but irrelevant. That's an entirely different, unrelated & incomparable subject. it wasn't a comparison, I was demonstrating that a vile minority damaging the reputation of a faith isn't unique to Islam. It's widely accepted by various organisations that the civilian casualty count will be much higher than it is so far said to be. So yes absolutely take it with a large pinch of salt. And it will be widely accepted by many others that they are greatly exagerated, which would play right into the hands of ISIS and supposed 'neutral' concerns like Stop the War. Media manipulation works both ways. Boko Harem are now classed (by both themselves & isis) that they are one and the same. Already been pointed out in this thread. And if that is the case, I have already posted on this thread that I want to see them dealt with too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Page 3: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/documents/2995521/6996925/3-18092015-BP-EN.pdf/b0377f79-f06d-4263-aa5b-cc9b4f6a838f many are coming from Etria, Pakistan, sub Saharan Africa etc. My point was more specifically about the Syria situation. ...which is where the majority come from in a singular source, which is what most people have been getting at.... The vast majority of those from other areas are genuine refugees also. As shown by Eurostat. I don't see how you can legitimately argue that this has nothing to do with Islam. Who said that and where? Perhaps this provides some insight into this violent and vocal minority? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/11433776/Quarter-of-British-Muslims-sympathise-with-Charlie-Hebdo-terrorists.html Have seen that before. Was nonsense then, is nonsense now. A survey is the easiest thing to manipulate in the world, and that particular one has been discussed at length elsewhere. I was suggesting that I, and most rational people would have no preference. We live in a predominantly atheist / agnostic multicultural society, religion is all but irrelevant. So you can't admit you'd be more thorough checking one group than another? What makes you uncomfortable about admitting that? And it will be widely accepted by many others that they are greatly exagerated, which would play right into the hands of ISIS and supposed 'neutral' concerns like Stop the War. Media manipulation works both ways. Nothing I've seen suggests figures will be lower than they are said to be. Nor have a huge amount of people said they'll be massively lower. So neither of those are accurate. Stop the war are irrelevant. They don't represent the Syrian people nor do they want them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 So you can't admit you'd be more thorough checking one group than another? What makes you uncomfortable about admitting that? . That's a little presumptuous, and wrong. Terrorism isn't the only issue we face here, criminals, pedophiles, rapists, murderers etc of all backgrounds could be using this migration as a way of escaping domestic justice. Statistically speaking, that is of far more concern than a barely measurable minority who might be terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 That's a little presumptuous, and wrong. Terrorism isn't the only issue we face here, criminals, pedophiles, rapists, murderers etc of all backgrounds could be using this migration as a way of escaping domestic justice. Statistically speaking, that is of far more concern than a barely measurable minority who might be terrorists. Tell that to the people mentioned in post #1. [emoji106] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 I am not one to cite YouTube stuff very often, but this clip is from a US equivalent of our BBC's "Question Time", and having just watched that sickener Corbyn pontificate to the great unwashed watching this made a refreshing change when I saw it linked to on another forum: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 This clip is from a US equivalent of "Question Time", having just watched that sickener Corbyn pontificate to the great unwashed this made a refreshing change when I saw it on another forum: Bravo A woman with more balls than all of our leaders put together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 This clip is from a US equivalent of "Question Time", having just watched that sickener Corbyn pontificate to the great unwashed this made a refreshing change when I saw it on another forum: Says it all really, good on her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 What would you do? All is not lost, plenty can be done - really depends on what our objective ACTUALLY is, what is it, do you know? from what I can it seems like its a continuation of the business model that I described earlier - the rest is a smoke screen with hollow sympathy for human suffering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Bravo A woman with more balls than all of our leaders put together Good Response - definitely starts the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 All is not lost, plenty can be done - really depends on what our objective ACTUALLY is, what is it, do you know? from what I can it seems like its a continuation of the business model that I described earlier - the rest is a smoke screen with hollow sympathy for human suffering. Okay, I get that, and I do agree with you to an extent. But again, how exactly would you deal with ISIS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Good Response - definitely starts the conversation. Wasn't looking to start a conversation, was commenting on the link Chris posted up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 All is not lost, plenty can be done - really depends on what our objective ACTUALLY is, what is it, do you know? from what I can it seems like its a continuation of the business model that I described earlier - the rest is a smoke screen with hollow sympathy for human suffering. Plenty can be done, lol. Come on imi surely you can do better than that? You are quite happy to jump on those of us who want to see action taken but never offer up an alternative. Stop talking in riddles and referencing back to past posts you are starting to sound like a politician! Here and now in your next post tell us what you would do to solve this problem or just admit you don't have clue what should be done and that you just don't want to see happen what is currently happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Plenty can be done, lol. Come on imi surely you can do better than that? You are quite happy to jump on those of us who want to see action taken but never offer up an alternative. Stop talking in riddles and referencing back to past posts you are starting to sound like a politician! Here and now in your next post tell us what you would do to solve this problem or just admit you don't have clue what should be done and that you just don't want to see happen what is currently happening. Frank, I'm still working on mine. Need to proof read it and when it's published I'll send a link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Frank, I'm still working on mine. Need to proof read it and when it's published I'll send a link. Sure, feel free to hold off a little longer with the link though as it would be nice to see what some of the other members have to say first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You are all wrong anyhow. All this situation is down to climate change. http://news.sky.com/story/1592373/charles-syrias-war-linked-to-climate-change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 No wonder the Queen hangs on to the throne as long as she can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 The whole point in the monarchy is that they defend us from the politicians, so it's nice to see them wade in occasionally, so long as it is appropriate. I know he can be a blunt instrument at times, but Charles also champions some very worth causes, as our very own Abz will attest http://www.bitc.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/abdin_ahmed_receiving_award.png?itok=rq3CSeQ7 http://www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk/mosaic-volunteers-recognised-by-hrh-the-prince-of-wales/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 If I were ABZ I would send one of my suits to Charles as a thank you gift.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Double breasted is a bit 80's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The whole point in the monarchy is that they defend us from the politicians, so it's nice to see them wade in occasionally, so long as it is appropriate. I know he can be a blunt instrument at times, but Charles also champions some very worth causes, as our very own Abz will attest http://www.bitc.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/featured_image/public/abdin_ahmed_receiving_award.png?itok=rq3CSeQ7 http://www.mosaicnetwork.co.uk/mosaic-volunteers-recognised-by-hrh-the-prince-of-wales/ Haha Most likely had too much sherry before the Sky interview! I have to agree, he does a lot of good work which goes without praise but every mistake is scrutinized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 If I were ABZ I would send one of my suits to Charles as a thank you gift.... I have a feeling it might be a little too short, he does love his double breasted suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Unidentified "warplane " shot down over Syria after invading Turkish airspace http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34907983 Assuming they mean a fast jet, as surely they wouldn't blindfire on something as big as a passenger jet, or as slow moving as a drone. I'm guessing either Russian or Israeli, but eitherway it's the sort of escalation this situation does not need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Yep looks to be Russian taken out by turkey. This just got a hole lot worse imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Yeah this just got a lot worse. SU24 downed, both crew ejected & were warned that they were violating airspace apparently. Very heavy clashes near the crash site, pilots detained by Turkmen loyal to Turkey. Not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 One pilot killed, one captured. *allegedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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