Tricky-Ricky Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I just wanted to say that I'm getting a little frustrated and disappointed with some of the cyber bullying that's almost happening on this site. Recently a member made an inappropriate remark against what they thought was a dodgy sales advert on eBay. Instead of being advised he was mistaken, various members on here stared to slam his comments, which some may see as fair game. It then turned into a proper bun fight, and soon verbal insults were being thrown at each other. In my opinion this type of behaviour should not be tolerated and members participating should be banned. Is it just me or what? http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?326956-Supra-UK-Spec-for-Sale-on-eBay-Really! The old adage pot kettle comes to mind after reading through the latter part of this thread, not an entertaining read either, surprised its not been locked for the very reasons given by the OP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Good morning, Not really pot or kettle to be honest. The later part of this thread is just showing a member what it's like to be on the receiving end for a change. Not my job really, but I guess it just goes to show how easy it is to get caught up in debate. Like I've already posted, just friendly banter, my apologies to anyone offended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Good morning, Not really pot or kettle to be honest. The later part of this thread is just showing a member what it's like to be on the receiving end for a change. Not my job really, but I guess it just goes to show how easy it is to get caught up in debate. Like I've already posted, just friendly banter, my apologies to anyone offended. Showing members what it's like to be on the receiving end of what? Surely you don't class that as bullying? As I said laughable at best. Banters always good, and I don't take offence too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 TheBlades What unit you in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Showing members what it's like to be on the receiving end of what? Surely you don't class that as bullying? As I said laughable at best. Banters always good, and I don't take offence too easily. On the receiving end of friendly banter. Nope, I don't class your replies as bullying towards me. However the description of your training techniques will probably be as close to the bone as they'll get, nowadays anyway. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and judging by the amount of views a few other members followed our conversation with (or without) interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 TheBlades What unit you in? Not 'that' unit. I'm a Sheffield United fan. Now there's a whole new thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 On the receiving end of friendly banter. Nope, I don't class your replies as bullying towards me. However the description of your training techniques will probably be as close to the bone as they'll get, nowadays anyway. I'm glad you enjoyed it, and judging by the amount of views a few other members followed our conversation with (or without) interest. I didn't instruct at phase 1, turned it down as I would of either killed someone or myself. Training establishments went too soft. I did a bit of phase 2, but was teaching signals. Also taught out in afghan, that was fun. But yeah, kids of today would probably die if they went through what I did, but then again, I'd probably die if I went through what my dad did lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 The fact that you acknowledge the difference between yours and you fathers training tells me that you realise times have changed. However, just because it happened the way it did doesn't make it right. You wouldn't be allowed to conduct training like you describe. Recruits have a voice these days (rightly so) and it's the Unit they pass out too that trains them and makes them soldiers. It's called basic training for a reason. I'm sure you know this, that's why at Units have induction weeks and before Ops they have build up training and mission specific training which usually ends with a mission rehearsal exercise. Once in theatre, RSOI packages and the likes enable troops to be prepared for what may come. Gone are the days when you enlist (because you don't want to go to jail) get your boots on and go over the top into battle. I'm not suggesting that's why you or your father joined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 So back on topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The fact that you acknowledge the difference between yours and you fathers training tells me that you realise times have changed. However, just because it happened the way it did doesn't make it right. You wouldn't be allowed to conduct training like you describe. Recruits have a voice these days (rightly so) and it's the Unit they pass out too that trains them and makes them soldiers. It's called basic training for a reason. I'm sure you know this, that's why at Units have induction weeks and before Ops they have build up training and mission specific training which usually ends with a mission rehearsal exercise. Once in theatre, RSOI packages and the likes enable troops to be prepared for what may come. Gone are the days when you enlist (because you don't want to go to jail) get your boots on and go over the top into battle. I'm not suggesting that's why you or your father joined. Yeah times change, but there is still a fundamental element that is needed in basic training. And that's to break and mould a soldier. Yes recruits need a voice, but giving a recruit too much power, they abuse it, which is a fact and it happens. The red and yellow card system was proof of that. Basic training is where they make soldiers, phase 2 is trade training and at unit is integration and continuation. There are many troops that are arriving at unit not ready and not fit enough. Recruits shouldn't be allowed to pass out of training if they are not capable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 1, 2015 Author Share Posted October 1, 2015 Basic training has got shorter, it's expensive to keep them in training establishments. Units take new recruits at risk and continuation training is essential. If units didn't take them at risk, some would never leave depot. Red and yellow cards didn't work, you're correct and I agree. If you give everyone a voice, everyone will use it, but some will abuse it and those that abuse it can cause more harm than good. Thankfully these are a minority. No-one needs to be broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creative Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Not 'that' unit. I'm a Sheffield United fan. Now there's a whole new thread. BBC then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted October 3, 2015 Author Share Posted October 3, 2015 I've never been or wanted to be a member of that crew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Jesus, is this still going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Jesus, is this still going? bloody hell, seems so! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 bloody hell, seems so! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc92 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 fun thread though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 No, stupid laws made by pansies and the new generation are responsible for the state of recruits. Not allowed to shout at them, single them out, point in their face, be in their personal space, sleep deprive them, beast them or even work them too hard. Recruits having red and yellow cards if they feel they've been bullied, granted that system didn't last long, thank f**k but the fact it came in was bad enough. Having double beds, duvets, TVs etc, no bed blocks, polishing floors, stress positions or corporal punishment. You couldn't be more wrong even if you tried. That saying is about teaching. Getting a posting at a training establishment was a good step I your career. Better luck next time cupcake Logged in just to respond to this... Agreed, I wasn't in the military but did some volunteering in 2006-2007, and the amount it's changed in 10 years is incredible. Discipline in 2006: Someone left their helmet in the woods somewhere, so the entire group of us were rewarded to a 5am wake up call to scrape frost off a 30x50m field of grass with our bare hands... In a particularly cold late January. Discipline in 2013: Someone forgot to bring the waterproof liner to their sleeping back. "Ok don't panic, I'll go back to camp and bring one back. Be careful next time" The standard of soldiers has dipped in terms of professionalism. Ones today are no different from the people you meet in pubs (From what I've seen) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 OMG! Another person who realises that times have changed. Why are you expecting the same product at the end? 2000 a recruit dies after being beasted. The service persons involved were not charged. 2010 a soldier dies after being beasted. The service person who delivered the punishment was discharged disgracefully and rightly so. That's not just my opinion, it's the law. The service person who gave the order was found not guilty. You simply can not teach how it used to be taught. This means you get a very different product at the end. Read some of the latest mentions in dispatches, look at the age of the latest service persons who have been awarded a VC or MC. Your logic is flawed beyond belief! Are you suggesting that all healers should be burned or drowned? Oh I forgot we call them Drs or Nurses now. Get yourselves out of the past and accept the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywalls Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 In the army, if shit hits the fan you don't fight for your own life, you fight for the mans life next to you. No to offend anyone but I wouldn't want some fanny who pulled loads of red and yellow cards in basic training and who couldn't hack a good beasting, standing next to me fighting for my life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlades Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 The red and yellow cards were brought in to protect the instructors not the recruits. They were withdrawn after a short period as it didn't work. Some instructors were bullies, not all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rywalls Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Fair point mate, but some recruits did take advantage like. When I went through there was a point where they couldn't give out more than 10 press ups at a time as a punishment! Agreed though some instructors were bullies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 *sigh,.. Don't talk to me about "Cyber Bullying" until you've had 135,609 strangers take the piss out of you!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 *sigh,.. Don't talk to me about "Cyber Bullying" until you've had 135,609 strangers take the piss out of you!! 135,610. Where's the boot release Ed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupraStar 3000 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 see what I mean! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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