MattP Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 No emissions, but a big omission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 News today that another firm is guilty and will be announced this evening on German TV. Any bets who it'll be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 news today that another firm is guilty and will be announced this evening on german tv. Any bets who it'll be? bmw ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Well, it's obviously another German firm. Most likely BMW, maybe Opel or Mercedes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Well, it's obviously another German firm. What makes you say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Because it's being announced on German TV - - - Updated - - - I really hope it isn't Toyota! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsia Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Comms at Mercedes have been that there's no defeat devices installed, hoping that rings true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Just got a letter this week to say my Seat is one of the engines affected and they will be back in touch when they have worked out a fix,wonder how long that will take! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not sure why people would want it "fixing", it'll probably have less oomph and may even do less to the gallon afterwards, I'd leave things well alone and let others have VAG fiddle first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Don't the audi bluetech diesel engines have an additive made from pigs urine to get them through the emissions test ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Well, it's obviously another German firm. Most likely BMW, maybe Opel or Mercedes. Don't Opel (GM) use FIAT and Isuzu diesel engines? My money is on BMW, they had a good war! ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Don't Opel (GM) use FIAT and Isuzu diesel engines? My money is on BMW, they had a good war! ;-) Yes, though I'm not sure if that extends to the engine management? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Don't the audi bluetech diesel engines have an additive made from pigs urine to get them through the emissions test ? Not just Audi. All diesels do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The whole emissions testing is a load of rubbish. Much (possibly all?) of the test is done on rolling roads. The emissions tests need changing and need to be done with "production" spec vehicles. The emissions test has become a load of rubbish. But only because engines have become so optimised to be efficient in the "emissions zone", which only covers about 25% of the total engine operating speed/load map. That's the only area the OEM will be tested in, the only area they will be financially penalised for exceeding emissions limits in, so it stands to reason that all the R&D has gone into making engines clean in that area and (mostly) that area alone. The drive cycles used around the world don''t and never did represent "normal driving", but now the difference in terms of emissions and fuel economy (the latter of which is more noticeable by the man in the street) is becoming large enough to call the whole thing into question - cheating or no cheating. End-users are starting to ask why their 60mpg car doesn't do 60mpg in real life. Optimising an engine to be clean on the drive cycle isn't cheating. Programming the ECU to recognise it is doing an emissions certification test and switch to a totally different operating mode altogether (which is what VW allegedly did) is cheating. And tests with "production spec vehicles" is already done for conformity of production, thing is the production spec vehicle also has the "defeat device" code, and will be tested under the same conditions, and so will still go into "cheat mode". IMHO this might accelerate the move to "off cycle testing", in which there is no specific drive cycle and the whole of the engine operating range is up for grabs. Problem is that it then becomes a very uneven playing field and finding a way to compare all cars driven in all styles and on all road surfaces in all environments will be a big challenge. There are new "more representative" drive cycles already close to being introduced, but they are still cycles, and so could be recognised by the ECU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Two guys I work with have received letters, one owns a new Audi the other a new Skoda, interestingly depending on the engine you have its either just a software patch / fix / fudge or a patch and new injectors too, now I cant see why you would recall all the motors to install smaller injectors so maybe they are installing larger injectors but no idea why. Interesting indeed, any more updates on what other companies been messing about too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra2jze Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Just to add, I heard the Taxis/Black Cabs in the UK will no longer be allowed to run on diesel in 2/3 years time. LPG for the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 There seem to be lots of very good leasing deals going on for BMW diesels. Dumping stock before the bad news breaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 IMHO this might accelerate the move to "off cycle testing", in which there is no specific drive cycle and the whole of the engine operating range is up for grabs. Problem is that it then becomes a very uneven playing field and finding a way to compare all cars driven in all styles and on all road surfaces in all environments will be a big challenge. There are new "more representative" drive cycles already close to being introduced, but they are still cycles, and so could be recognised by the ECU. Why not do both tests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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