Chris Wilson Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Surprised no one has mentioned it here yet. Maybe so many fiddle their own emissions they feel it would be churlish to comment negatively? Personally I find it very hard to believe the US testing laboratories were not complicit to this, they aren't stupid.... And if VAG have been fiddling the firmware, no doubt they are not alone Is this going to be the automotive equivalent of getting a pay out from the banks? Seems the lawyers are seeing new ways to make some more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I can't comment on this here, but it'll be interesting to see how this thread unfolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Cered's input: "And they think other manufactures aren't pulling similar things elsewhere?" All the eco stuff seems to be killing engines off early these days. I think the benefits of DPF valves, EGRs etc are negated by the environmental damage produced when manufacturing a higher volume of replacement parts and disposing of old broken parts/cars. Diesel engines should be reserved for logistics and agriculture IMO. Petrol is a fair bit cleaner. IIRC France are bringing in a ban on diesel powered cars in cities. I'm aware I drive a diesel car (non-DPF) but the V6 version of it costs £500 a year to tax... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I thought this thread would have come up earlier I think all single turbo supras have this same feature , Dont see why everyones getting upset , who actually cares that they put out more emmisions as long as they still get the tax break lol. I know we should all save the world but going back even 10 years this would not be an issue , I bet there all at it as emmission standards get tighter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Short of a flaw that causes fatalities, a can't imagine anything worse for the VW group. If this is a worldwide issue, they'll be lucky if they survive this. The yanks are going to take them to the cleaners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsia Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 As someone that works for Merc, my fingers are firmly crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's been obvious to the clever minded for years. I've always said diesels have been lieing(?) to us for years. No way can a diesel that pumps out black smoke or any smoke be zero or low emissions. And the diesel prices at the moment reflect that even more. Petrol cars are cleaner and not becoming just as fuel efficient as ever. Diesel needs be for transportation. The whole tax scam needs re thinking and hopefully people will realise they've been duped into buying these cars just because of the tax. I don't care about the implications to the environment as its fake, it doesn't exist on the level they claim, and the car makers actually make it worse by producing these fake cars and engines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Most tests are a complete farce, the results are based on conditions that could never be met in the real world, ie special tires, stripped chassis, special lubrication's etc The US took an off the shelf model and completed the test on the road and shocker, the figures were way off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 So VW are getting a bashing because of their diesel emissions lies. Weirdly though, the other car manufacturers aren't on the bandwagon demanding large fines and 'something must be done'. Strange? Not really. Bear in mind that all manufacturers buy competitors' cars and strip them down to the last nut and bolt for ideas and items to plagarise. If they'd done this with VW cars don't you think that when they found this elusive diesel software that they'd blow the roof off the scam. Unless of course . . . . . . . well, might just be me but sounds like they're just waiting for their own knock on the door. This space is worth watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Most tests are a complete farce, the results are based on conditions that could never be met in the real world, ie special tires, stripped chassis, special lubrication's etc The US took an off the shelf model and completed the test on the road and shocker, the figures were way off The results weren't off. The results were fine. It was the software cheat that they found Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be no real surprise,MP's were cheating,Bankers were cheating,Athletes were cheating,now car manufacturer,seems to be human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The results weren't off. The results were fine. It was the software cheat that they found Sorry I am confused, are you saying the none test condition results are OK, if so what is all the fuss about and what is the cheat accomplishing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 No - the cars are filthy as fook - when they get plugged in for an emissions test a bit of electronic jiggery-pokery kicks in to lie to the testing machine to say all is good when in fact it's as filthy as fook! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 No - the cars are filthy as fook - when they get plugged in for an emissions test a bit of electronic jiggery-pokery kicks in to lie to the testing machine to say all is good when in fact it's as filthy as fook! That is what I understood too, didnt they also pile a load of testing gear to an off the shelf motor and drive it around town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Sorry I am confused, are you saying the none test condition results are OK, if so what is all the fuss about and what is the cheat accomplishing? The software only does the cheat when it recognises it's being tested. There is no test whilst normal driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The software only does the cheat when it recognises it's being tested. I get that There is no test whilst normal driving. I think you misunderstood me, if you measure / test under normal circumstances its still a test, the piece I saw in the media showed a vehicle strapped up with test equipment driving around normally, so yes, the car has no idea its being tested but it is and hence the bad results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 When you try and do an emissions test on the MOT on any diesel VAG, BMW, Merc etc, the rpm is limited to 2000-2500rpm. Apparently this is to reduce pulling away too hard. I call bullsh!t!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Wonder if the Syvecs can be set up to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Wonder if the Syvecs can be set up to do this? An MOT map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 An MOT map Without losing a map though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I get that I think you misunderstood me, if you measure / test under normal circumstances its still a test, the piece I saw in the media showed a vehicle strapped up with test equipment driving around normally, so yes, the car has no idea its being tested but it is and hence the bad results. Oh I get you. The test done for MOT etc purposes is done at a certain rpm and the vehicle isn't moving. I believe the test they did whilst driving wasn't putting the vehicle through the normal test that the software would recognise, they were just collecting data whilst it was driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Oh I get you. The test done for MOT etc purposes is done at a certain rpm and the vehicle isn't moving. I believe the test they did whilst driving wasn't putting the vehicle through the normal test that the software would recognise, they were just collecting data whilst it was driving. Exactly I dont think I explained properly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobUK Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Without losing a map though Valet mode then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideexitsupra Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The whole emissions testing is a load of rubbish. Much (possibly all?) of the test is done on rolling roads. The emissions tests need changing and need to be done with "production" spec vehicles. Could this be the next ppi style scam, possibly so. We have a nearly 6 year old Audi TT that the wife has had from new and has the 2.0 tdi engine. Could be that this car is effected. Maybe I should take it back and ask for a full refund! What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideexitsupra Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 The tests I refer to above are the "official" tests. Just to make it clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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