j_jza80 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So if you were getting married in a Christian ceremony, you wouldn't mind being stood in total silence when you had asked your invited guests to sing a hymn? I am agnostic, and despise organised religion more than most. But I still join in for my friends benefit. It would have been more respectful for him to not attend. And yes, anti monarchy is a political point of view, and a perfectly valid one. But theres a time and a place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also, he was not invited there as Jeremy Corbyn, the scruffilly dressed individual. He was invited as Jeremy Corbyn, head of the Labour Party and her Majesties opposition. He was (or rather was not) representing his whole party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonR24 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Also, he was not invited there as Jeremy Corbyn, the scruffilly dressed individual. He was invited as Jeremy Corbyn, head of the Labour Party and her Majesties opposition. He was (or rather was not) representing his whole party. Now that is a good point. Seeing as he's representing others then I guess it is different. Still I doubt he intended it to be picked up on as much as it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 For sure, but he must have known that every thing he does for the next few weeks will be heavily scrutinised? If it was truly naivety or ignorance, he has a very steep learning curve ahead of him. I imagine it is a difficult transition from being a back bench protester to the head of the party in few short weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I abhor having to quote from this tabloid, but the direct quotes from a couple of the veterans is telling: Stan Hartill, 95, who served with 609 Spitfire Squadron, based at Middle Wallop, said: 'His lack of respect is astonishing. The pilots and crews that fought in the Battle of Britain did so for King and Country. 'If he doesn't respect the Queen, then he should at least respect them and the sacrifices they made. Those men gave their lives so we wouldn't have a swastika on every town hall in Britain. If you have no respect, you have no defence in life.' Tom Neil, 95, who flew 141 combat missions during the Battle of Britain and was credited with 11 kills, said: 'It just shows how bigoted he is and how small-minded. I have nothing more to say about him.' In a further twist, it emerged that Mr Corbyn took two bags of sandwiches mainly set out for veterans as he left St Paul's to travel to Brighton to address the Trade Union Congress conference. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3235116/Jeremy-Corbyn-gets-message-paying-tribute-Battle-Britain-greets-David-Cameron-time-Labour-leader.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Of course Corbyn and yourself have the right not to sing the National Anthem and not to wear a poppy as a symbol of respect and remembrance for those that gave their lives so that Corbyn and yourself could have the right not to sing the National Anthem or wear a symbol of remembrance. Please consider the hundreds of thousands that gave their lives so that you can do the more important things that you'd rather be doing. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I heard another Labour rep on the radio stating that he will be singing the National Anthem from now on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I heard another Labour rep on the radio stating that he will be singing the National Anthem from now on Quickest U-turn since i drove into St. Pauls in Bristol all those years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Another threat comes from the SNP. Many of Corbyns views and policies will resonate with SNP voters, who will see 2020 as an opportunity to vote the Tories out of power. But this will threaten the SNPs primary goal of Scottish Independence. Will the SNP just stand by and allow this to happen? I doubt it. I can exclusively reveal, as a card carrying member of the Scottish National Party, who was at a branch meeting last night, that the overwhelming majority of SNP voters wish for Scotland to be an independent nation. The Labour party under Corbyn is a unionist party and judged to be as unhelpful as the other unionist parties in terms of achieving that goal. Besides, the labour branch office in Scotland has recently replace one Blairite, Jim Murphy, with another, Kezia Dugdale. The SNP's position is that it will work with Corbyn if he adopts an anti - austerity stance against the tories and if he is serious about voting against the Trident replacement, which is planned to be sited in my home county of Argyll, very much against the wishes of those who live here and throughout the rest of Scotland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Which was my point but seeing as though a slim majority still wish to be a part of the union, it may occur to some SNP members in time that if they vote for Corbyn, they may at least be rid of the Tories. And labour must be fixated on winning SNP voters, because their move to the left will alienate them from Tory and ukip swing voters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Which was my point but seeing as though a slim majority still wish to be a part of the union, it may occur to some SNP members in time that if they vote for Corbyn, they may at least be rid of the Tories. And labour must be fixated on winning SNP voters, because their move to the left will alienate them from Tory and ukip swing voters. We've voted against the tories as long as I've lived, (50 years) and we get whatever government is voted in down south. The tories and UKIP are almost irrelevant in Scotland, only PR gives them a voice here. On a more concerning note, whilst the English based newspapers foamed at the mouth about 'Anthemgate', they neglected to mention that the tories voted in tax credit cuts yesterday. Who read about that today? Another kick in the teeth for the hard pressed low paid workers in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I think he should of worn a poppy he has placed himself in a position to try and be prime minister and in that position he might have to call on people to give their lives for this country will he remember them if they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Who read about that today? Another kick in the teeth for the hard pressed low paid workers in the UK. Certainly wasn't on top of the mind of the labour supporters providing questions for Corbyn to ask the prime minister. Btw- here are some details - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33224896 Didn't even realize that such "hand outs" exist.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Oops... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11862424/Labours-biggest-individual-donor-to-stop-funding-party-after-Jeremy-Corbyns-victory.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Certainly wasn't on top of the mind of the labour supporters providing questions for Corbyn to ask the prime minister. Btw- here are some details - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33224896 Didn't even realize that such "hand outs" exist.... As a single parent of two, I (just) qualify for Child Tax Credits, primarily due to the inequities of our income tax system that favours the wealthy over the low paid. Bring back the 10% starting rate of income tax, that would be a constructive start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I have never voted tory but i find that no party seems to offer an all in package that suits me.Would have been a nightmare if either lib dems or labour were handling the refugee crisis.On some issues i find myself very right wing (dealing with paedo rings ,terrorists murderers etc)on the other very left wing (helping our own poor and needy)need to start my own party methinks:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 All I can see him doing is dividing his own party which started the moment he became the new leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I have never voted tory but i find that no party seems to offer an all in package that suits me.Would have been a nightmare if either lib dems or labour were handling the refugee crisis.On some issues i find myself very right wing (dealing with paedo rings ,terrorists murderers etc)on the other very left wing (helping our own poor and needy)need to start my own party methinks:) Unless you have a pretty extreme political view, you will always have to compromise in one way or another when voting. The reason the Tories are in power now, and labour before them, is that they compromised on their own parties positions to occupy the centre ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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