Dnk Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 They've chosen Jeremy Corbyn Discuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Don't you have an opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Subscribed to see where this goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp9876 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I actually think it's a good thing, Labour are so similar to the Tories that it didn't matter who you voted for they were all the same. At least now there will be some difference and a choice, I don't know if they'll ever get into power though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 He has inspired some of today's youth/ and some not so youthful to engage in politics for the first time because he offers a clear difference on political views from the government. Also, regardless of opinion on him, you can't help but think that he believes in what he's talking about; he has an agenda, but puts it out there to be judged on. I think that has gained him a lot of respect in an invironment where politicians are often guilty of saying anything to get them ahead without believing in what they are saying. To many he's a breath of fresh air and I hope those who opposed him in his party get behind him to form an opposition party out of Labour for the first time in a while. What a shake up there has been recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Step in the right direction I want Bernie Sander's to be cloned and sent here to run for Prime minister. First politician I've ever seen who has a clue what happens with the people who earn less than £100k a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig85 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Whilst I agree that it's great to have a new option in politics again I can't help but feel that all it will do is give us another five years of Tory rule. A lot of the most talked about policies are not radical, but instead rooted in a type of politics and government that died out long ago, with good reason. On top of this, Labour are more divided than ever and now have a leader who had spent a good portion of his career defying the whip, setting an example that I'm no doubt sure a significant number of MPs will now follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewysdanny Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Shame Tony Benn died before witnessing this . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markolambo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hahahahahahahaa..... labour in the wilderness......snp.. tories loving it...unelectable....lunchtime legend . - - - Updated - - - Hahahahahahahaa..... labour in the wilderness......snp.. tories loving it...unelectable....lunchtime legend . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markolambo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Hahahahahaha......it not early april is it or 1923? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 He wants running round the barrack square until he's fit to drop, shaving, throwing in a cold shower and made to scrub down with Dettol, putting in a sensible clean suit and tie, then put to work in the kitchen where he can't do too much harm. Scruffy old git. The BBC seem to be orgasming over his election, their producers obviously recognise and empathise with fellow scruffy old gits. The coverage they are giving it is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 This has guaranteed that the Tories will be reelected in 2020. Moving to the left will further alienate swing voters, which the party so desperately need to appeal to.(myself being one, though I suppose the term 'ex voter' is more accurate these days) The electorate are not so stupid that they have forgotten that it was the politics of 'spend and borrow' that made 'austerity' a necessary evil. Short of the SNP imploding (which is doubtful, as they are more popular than ever), Labour are now truly in the political abyss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideexitsupra Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Put the Labour Party back 20 years, which is good or bad depending on your viewpoint. Can't envisage this doing much for their election chances, especially with pretty much all the high profile front benches giving up their roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downimpact Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I think this is great, while I don't agree with all his policies and find some slightly worrying, his more direct (less spin doctor) approach can only be welcomed. I also think people are waking up to the fact that the current system is broken, so I think change may well become inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp9876 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The electorate are not so stupid that they have forgotten that it was the politics of 'spend and borrow' that made 'austerity' a necessary evil.. I'm not sure I get this attitude, Labour didn't cause the financial crisis, they just happened to be in power at the time. Sub prime mortgages and the banks caused the crash. It's correct that Labour will spend more than the Tories but it's not necessarily bad, Greece are doing austerity and it isn't going to help them one little bit. Doing austerity here won't help either, it won't hurt the rich but it sure will hit the working classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downimpact Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Can't envisage this doing much for their election chances, especially with pretty much all the high profile front benches giving up their roles. You're saying that like it's a bad thing, I think that's exactly why he's had so much support. The whole parliamentary system needs improving and here is someone who may actually look to make improvements given a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp9876 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 You're saying that like it's a bad thing, I think that's exactly why he's had so much support. The whole parliamentary system needs improving and here is someone who may actually look to make improvements given a chance. Fully agree, things really need to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 He looks like a kiddie fiddler....and probably is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not sure I get this attitude, Labour didn't cause the financial crisis, they just happened to be in power at the time. Sub prime mortgages and the banks caused the crash. Correct, with one enormous BUT... They were spending record amounts, and borrowing, during record prosperity. If you can not survive without borrowing during prosperity, how the hell are you supposed to survive when an inevitable crash happens? SO yes, they didn't cause the crash, but they put the country in a position where it was unable to cope with one. It's correct that Labour will spend more than the Tories but it's not necessarily bad, Greece are doing austerity and it isn't going to help them one little bit. Doing austerity here won't help either, it won't hurt the rich but it sure will hit the working classes. So long as you're not spending more than you earn during prosperous periods. Quantitative easing/borrowing to invest in infrastructure *should* be okay in an effort to restore an economy, coupled with some spending cuts, but not when you have already been borrowing heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 If he ever gets to no10 god help us all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downimpact Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Correct, with one enormous BUT... They were spending record amounts, and borrowing, during record prosperity. If you can not survive without borrowing during prosperity, how the hell are you supposed to survive when an inevitable crash happens? SO yes, they didn't cause the crash, but they put the country in a position where it was unable to cope with one. . BUT They were spending less proportionally than Thatcher/Major.... so it wasn't a record other than the fact that inflation always makes the absolute number higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downimpact Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 If we didn't constantly follow the mantra of low tax = good, we wouldn't have the issues either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 As a result of the economic situation at the time... the graph clearly shows in which direction public spending was already heading in 1997. I'm not defending the Tories BTW, I'm just highlighting why people are not going to trust Labour with the economy for a long time, they have constantly been on the wrong side of public opinion re: the economy since the ConDems came to power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downimpact Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Yes I'm glad the Tories and LD came together and stopped some of the Labour policies we had been suffering. I'll equally be glad when the Tories get kicked out and someone will undo some of the damage they do and so forth. That's presuming that the damage can be undone of course which as has been demonstrated over the last few decades it ain't always possible, or politicians don't have the will to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The real problem is that all of the parties operate on short term, reactionary policies. They are too interested in popularity and kicking their opponents in the **** to do what is in the best interests of the country long term. They are all as bad as each other, Corbyn, Cameron and Sturgeon included. Hence why I am an ex voter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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