Kendo11 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yeah, they were all applauding and giving gifts etc because of economic reasons.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I also read that, and by the sound of your title we reached the same conclusion. To be fair to Germany, if they need immigration to sustain their country/economy/population, then they should be able to make that choice. But then Merkel having the nerve of inviting Millions of people to Germany, and then telling the other EU nations that they need to take their fair share without any prior discussion is just vile. The whole point of the European Union was to shackle Germany and ensure peace on the continent. It is obvious now that Germany has all the power in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 I also read that, and by the sound of your title we reached the same conclusion. To be fair to Germany, if they need immigration to sustain their country/economy/population, then they should be able to make that choice. But then Merkel having the nerve of inviting Millions of people to Germany, and then telling the other EU nations that they need to take their fair share without any prior discussion is just vile. The whole point of the European Union was to shackle Germany and ensure peace on the continent. It is obvious now that Germany has all the power in Europe. Thats called politics. Best not to underestimate the germans here - 1st mover advantage - they get to select all the professionals, educated people who will contribute to their economy in the shortest period of time and help ensure the future of their country. Consequences - Brain drain in the countries where these migrants are feeing from - sending those countries into the dark ages for many decades. Also explains why they don't seem to be helping the africans or palestinians - rather the educated Syrians - etc..... Very smart on their part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 All of Western Europe has been benefiting from the 'Brain Drain' from the Eastern / Southern European countries for decades. Is it any wonder their economies are doing so badly? It will be the same for Syria. Even if by some miracle Isis are defeated, there's going to be no one left to rebuild the country in any meaningful way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Yeah, they were all applauding and giving gifts etc because of economic reasons.... Glad you've finally seen sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imi Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 All of Western Europe has been benefiting from the 'Brain Drain' from the Eastern / Southern European countries for decades. Is it any wonder their economies are doing so badly? It will be the same for Syria. Even if by some miracle Isis are defeated, there's going to be no one left to rebuild the country in any meaningful way. Agree. Germany have played this very well. Cameron is smart and knows the score with Germany - Hence why he's agreed to 25k people to diffuse the emotional blackmail by the thickos - and what I found admirable was the plan to bring the refugees directly from Syria so as to like Germany hand pick the the educated and professional classes first. The conspiracy theorist would suggest that the motive for supplying Isis with weapons in the 1st place is to fuel the western economies not just through weapons but more importantly through the Brian drain program that they "Isis" have seriously help accelerate. They've targeted the most smartest, qualified, educated and moderate of Arabs who will easily fit into western societies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agreed, Camerons plan to take refugees direct from Syrian camps is a far better idea than allowing god knows who from those already traveled far and wide across Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Germany can cope with 500,000 asylum-seekers a year for several years, vice chancellor says http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34185353 "can cope with", or needs? And why did Merkel spend last week insulting Germanys European partners, if they are capable of dealing with this alone? You also have to wonder how any government can suggest such measures without putting it to a national referendum, as it will noticeably change Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share Posted September 8, 2015 It appears a LOT of these so called refugees are canny enough to already be playing the system with muslims changing faith to Christianity in Germany. An act of sudden secular belief change, or a means to be able to claim their new religion will leave them open to persecution back from wherever they claim to have come from, meaning they can never be repatriated? I know what I think! There are a small number of European countries standing firm to this swarm, the rest will rue the day, mark my words. As for those liberals publicly shouting their house doors are open to refugees, I hope they have taken good legal advice, I am bloody sure there'll be an element who will know all the tricks and may be unwilling to leave the place when the clear light of day dawns in the homeowner's addled brain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Haven't we given the most in aid. I'm shocked that we get picked on for not accepting more refugees. We are a tiny country and we don't have enough room or houseing as it is. Let alone we have plenty of homeless on the streets and alot of these are ex servicemen when do we get to help them? - - - Updated - - - Haven't we given the most in aid. I'm shocked that we get picked on for not accepting more refugees. We are a tiny country and we don't have enough room or houseing as it is. Let alone we have plenty of homeless on the streets and alot of these are ex servicemen when do we get to help them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Chris, I would suspect the sudden belief change isn't so sudden. For many people in that area of the world, it is illegal to change or renounce your religion. the term apostasy seems to go hand in hand with barbaric punishments. Much like many westerners born into Christianity, Islam and Judaism, many of them will really be atheists or may believe in God but see organised religion for the evil control mechanism that it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wez Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I really don't understand this resistance to blaming those truly responsible for the state the world is in. Who is that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_jza80 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Who is that then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Serious question? I'm not being sarcastic btw ^^ Of course, I am just interested in your opinion on who is truly to blame / responsible, as you well know everyone is entitled to there own opinion and I am guessing that this is one question / subject where the answer varies quite a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The worry I have we dont really know who is comming in , realisticly this could all be isis plan and the they already have 25k trained torrorists ready to pose as refugees get into all the contries around europe and kill them from the inside out . abit like a modern day trogen horse . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_jza80 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I want to just simply say "us" but think I need to elaborate a bit more. If you mean the human race, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If you mean the human race, I wholeheartedly agree with you. Yes, the 'human condition' pretty much. It's mainly greed, money, materialism, consumerism, power etc . I read a theory a while back concerning "dualistic orientation" which basically is the idea that everything has become a 'versus' world. You versus me, us versus them, self versus other. Everything is focused on inferiority/superiority. Have/have not. We as man have even drawn up divisions with animals & nature (that sounds very tree huggery I'm afraid). A lot of it is exacerbated by the media, everything is a competition to have more of everything and the best of everything whether it be land, food, fuel or shelter - the 4 basic things we need. The dependence on money and power for the very very super wealthy, the top 0.5%, affects all of us. Look at the instability we're currently discussing and then look at the arms deals involved (pic attached), and those are just a small amount of the disclosed ones and not counting private contractors deals, energy deals, infrastructure deals etc. All the money spent on conflict over the past couple of years could have eradicated famine & poverty FOREVER. Just think about that. That's mental. But that's also down to power. We can do amazing things and yet people can be so led, so influenced by the media & entertaining industry that they can not think for themselves, and only think that because someone is different it means they are bad. For example, yesterday a page on Facebook with 30,000 followers shared a picture claiming the young Syrian boy who drowned was a set up, a fake. What if every follower of that page then shares that and so on and so on and so on. They later admitted they'd made a mistake but how many people now have the incorrect information? I'm 30 but even now I find myself saying "in my day I had to research, make a point, then provide supporting evidence". I don't always like using the word 'sheep' but it is the best definition for how we are. It then all comes back to this current crisis. If I saw a man on the street who trips and falls over I'd offer him my hand to help him get back up. Why should we be any different as a race? The sad thing is we will never learn. We have had enough opportunities in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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