Shane Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own. And although I agree with you, there is still a nagging question that comes back to me as to why when they had reached the relative safety and haven of Turkey, did his father then risk all their lives and potentially those who may have been sent out to rescue them to leave Turkey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I really don't know what to make of that, but I think I feel more sorry for him than I have any other individual in my life. Not only has he lost everything he cared about, but the guilt must be crippling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own. Same here, I have two young boys and it's like being punched in the gut seeing those pictures, something I never had before being a parent. I have no sympathy for all those idiots camped out in Calais under the illusion there's a better life in the UK. They should set the water cannons on them, there is no pot of gold. Families fleeing a warn torn country is different. What is incredulous and really angers me is this was utterly needless. They weren't fleeing war torn Syria but where already safe in Turkey and trying to get to Greece after being rejected from Canada. I'm obviously not in their situation but I can't relate to putting your family in such danger, bundling them in an over crowded boat, when your wife can't even swim, when you're already safe. I don't know how he can live with himself, I think I'd have already taken the easy way out and killed myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I can't relate to putting your family in such danger, bundling them in an over crowded boat, when your wife can't even swim, when you're already safe. Say what now? Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Say what now? Is that true? Sadly it would appear so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own. whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I also read somewhere else that they had been living in Turkey for approx three years, a tragedy that could have been avoided Thats why i left the link there to see how many would take the time to read it and start to connect the dots. we're a bunch of softies easily led by the media - like the chum said in a previous post - "media sheep" When is comes to doing the right thing - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about.. The world is not a nice place and many people are ignorant of that. There's poverty, death and torture inflicted against men, women and children alike every day and no amount of Facebook 'likes', online petitions or token gestures of good will is going to make a blind bit of difference in the great scheme of things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Sadly it would appear so Yep. Not very smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about.. People only tend to react when things are on their doorstep. Calais, Italy/Greece and Turkey are all places British people holiday. Israel/Gaza/Palestine, not so much. Notable additions include Ethiopia, Libya and Somalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imi Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 People only tend to react when things are on their doorstep. Calais, Italy/Greece and Turkey are all places British people holiday. Israel/Gaza/Palestine, not so much. Notable additions include Ethiopia, Libya and Somalia. And the fact that's the chancers are so desperate to cross borders illegally to get to countries like Germany and the UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Also I think this post is somewhat relevant. Can't copy for some reason. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/04/658294a1275c99c971801181a100789e.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/04/07720b4b83726184f11629e8818ea3a0.jpg http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/04/bd869789cb00df0e6c4dc6ae874ceb34.jpg Thanks for the insight. So they have their own language, culture, customs, blah blah.....resentment between them and the Turks - and yet we seem to believe that come to Europe they would integrate into society. The stupidity of some people is truly baffling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Westcoaster Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 It's no great secret that leftwing protests / petitions are given a positive spin by the media, and rightwing ones are always portrayed as negative. Is that a serious statement? The overwhelming majority of newspapers and news magazines published in the UK are right wing - look at how Jeremy Corbyn is portrayed as an example. You mentioned earlier about the UN doing nothing, their website suggests otherwise:- http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 All I've seen is the UN slating the UK and Europe, saying we're not doing enough, all the while conveniently forgetting we are the second largest aid giver in the world, while the wealthy gulf states like Qatar and Saudi do nothing. Where is China? What is the UN doing about Isis? The migration crisis is just one of various symptoms of a problem the world has with Islamic extremism. I was talking specifically about protests/petitions. With the exception of the bbc, Guardian and independent, I would agree that most of the uk's media outlets have a right wing spin. But then again, the majority of the UK population is centre right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Sign this please https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106477 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Sign this please https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/106477 Signed not they would listen though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Signed �� not they would listen though.. Still worth a try, if the silent majority stay silent now all may well be lost! For ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Still worth a try, if the silent majority stay silent now all may well be lost! For ever! Thankfully the silent majority are smart enough to read the petition and know it has been written by a retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 thankfully the silent majority are smart enough to read the petition and know it has been written by a retard. llllllol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Thankfully the silent majority are smart enough to read the petition and know it has been written by a retard. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Who cares what he is? a least he is doing somthing about the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 got little to do with compassion..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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