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I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own.

 

And although I agree with you, there is still a nagging question that comes back to me as to why when they had reached the relative safety and haven of Turkey, did his father then risk all their lives and potentially those who may have been sent out to rescue them to leave Turkey?

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I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own.

 

Same here, I have two young boys and it's like being punched in the gut seeing those pictures, something I never had before being a parent. I have no sympathy for all those idiots camped out in Calais under the illusion there's a better life in the UK. They should set the water cannons on them, there is no pot of gold. Families fleeing a warn torn country is different.

 

What is incredulous and really angers me is this was utterly needless. They weren't fleeing war torn Syria but where already safe in Turkey and trying to get to Greece after being rejected from Canada. I'm obviously not in their situation but I can't relate to putting your family in such danger, bundling them in an over crowded boat, when your wife can't even swim, when you're already safe. I don't know how he can live with himself, I think I'd have already taken the easy way out and killed myself.

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I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own.

 

whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about..

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I also read somewhere else that they had been living in Turkey for approx three years, a tragedy that could have been avoided :(

 

Thats why i left the link there to see how many would take the time to read it and start to connect the dots.

 

we're a bunch of softies easily led by the media - like the chum said in a previous post - "media sheep"

 

When is comes to doing the right thing - :tumble:

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whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about..

 

The world is not a nice place and many people are ignorant of that. There's poverty, death and torture inflicted against men, women and children alike every day and no amount of Facebook 'likes', online petitions or token gestures of good will is going to make a blind bit of difference in the great scheme of things

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whether used as a propaganda tool purposely or not is another matter - what baffles me is that let alone the continent - we as a nation have been sat on our backsides while millions of innocent Palestinians including children have been massacred over the many years and even today - and we do nothing. And now with just the one photo of this innocent kid that I believe was put in harms way by no-one other than his own father - we start calling in on radio shows, signing petitions, sharing Facebook posts, forcing the PM to do a u-turn on his decision..........something to think about..

 

People only tend to react when things are on their doorstep. Calais, Italy/Greece and Turkey are all places British people holiday. Israel/Gaza/Palestine, not so much. Notable additions include Ethiopia, Libya and Somalia.

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People only tend to react when things are on their doorstep. Calais, Italy/Greece and Turkey are all places British people holiday. Israel/Gaza/Palestine, not so much. Notable additions include Ethiopia, Libya and Somalia.

 

And the fact that's the chancers are so desperate to cross borders illegally to get to countries like Germany and the UK

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Thanks for the insight.

 

So they have their own language, culture, customs, blah blah.....resentment between them and the Turks - and yet we seem to believe that come to Europe they would integrate into society.

 

The stupidity of some people is truly baffling

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It's no great secret that leftwing protests / petitions are given a positive spin by the media, and rightwing ones are always portrayed as negative. :)

 

Is that a serious statement? :blink:

 

The overwhelming majority of newspapers and news magazines published in the UK are right wing - look at how Jeremy Corbyn is portrayed as an example.

 

You mentioned earlier about the UN doing nothing, their website suggests otherwise:- http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/home

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All I've seen is the UN slating the UK and Europe, saying we're not doing enough, all the while conveniently forgetting we are the second largest aid giver in the world, while the wealthy gulf states like Qatar and Saudi do nothing. Where is China?

 

What is the UN doing about Isis? The migration crisis is just one of various symptoms of a problem the world has with Islamic extremism.

 

I was talking specifically about protests/petitions. With the exception of the bbc, Guardian and independent, I would agree that most of the uk's media outlets have a right wing spin. But then again, the majority of the UK population is centre right.

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