A country without borders is not a country.

[Kendo11]

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[j_jza80]

Again, why?

 

You doubt how genuine they are?

 

I absolutely doubt how genuine they are. It is one thing to commit time or money to charity. It is a very different thing to invite a complete stranger, who you know nothing about, who may not even speak your language, to live in your own personal space. Some would call that foolish. And if you have children, it is downright reckless.

[Kendo11]

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[j_jza80]

I don't share your optimistic appraisal of the situation.

 

But back to the original subject, now that we have committed to an as yet unknown number (but in the 000's) this month, how many thousands will we take next month? and the month after that? This is a swelling migration flow, and there are no indications that it is going to start slowing down any time soon.

 

How many Syrian children will die now, because their parents have now been shown that Europe is a guaranteed place for them? To anyone who thought this was a good idea, I hope for your sakes that there are no further catastrophes.

[Kendo11]

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[imi]

Any room here?

 

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/c70dacd61a4bded7ca19d44cf74f925c.jpg

 

You are special

[Kendo11]

Your are special

I know.

 

*you.

[imi]

Any room here?

 

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/03/c70dacd61a4bded7ca19d44cf74f925c.jpg

 

And turn it into this?

 

 

[Kendo11]

Or perhaps a leafy suburb?

 

[imi]

Exactly - let's hope that they don't let any criminals, terrorists and chancers and offer refuge to genuine refugees.

 

Certainly not a solution just a band aid

 

In time we will see whether my post 79 rings true or not.

[imi]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34148913

[Chris Wilson]

At least Cameron is saying (and yes, he says a lot of things he fails to act on...), that we will take only refugees from middle east refugee camps. I read that as he will want them vetting first.

 

Personally I think he'll fold further and another flow of un-vetted, unknown origin, mish mash of who knows what will be forced upon those who already see the UK as overcrowded, under funded and a tinder pot of potential unrest.PLEASE come back Lady Thatcher...

[imi]

PLEASE come back Lady Thatcher...

 

Certainly built the foundation for the success that this country is today.

 

Migrant crisis: Drowned boy's father speaks of heartbreak

 

Alan Kurdi's father Abdullah said that shortly after their boat left Turkey for the Greek island of Kos it was hit by waves and the captain swam off.

 

Thought Turkey was a safe country and opening its arms to refugees?

[j_jza80]

I have no issue with us taking people from the camps, because at least you know that are genuine.

 

I wouldn't be too happy about us taking these moving up through Hungary, and I would be rather unhappy if we started taking any from Calais.

 

But any decision to take a meaningful amount of the across Europe is bad. Bad for us, bad for them, and definitely bad for Syria (who will rebuild the country?)

 

And still nothing from the UN. What an utterly useless organisation that has become.

[Wez]

Migrant crisis: Drowned boy's father speaks of heartbreak

 

Alan Kurdi's father Abdullah said that shortly after their boat left Turkey for the Greek island of Kos it was hit by waves and the captain swam off.

 

Thought Turkey was a safe country and opening its arms to refugees?

 

I also read somewhere else that they had been living in Turkey for approx three years, a tragedy that could have been avoided

[Scooter]

Forgetting the current Syrian issue, has the uk become a worst place for multicultural immigration? Is the increase in population the potential problem rather than who makes up that increase?

 

It would be interesting to see the demographic of previously migrated cultures and their position in society job and status wise. This forum has it's proportion or Asian, Polish etc and is not worse for it, so why should the country?

 

Population has grown massively since the second world war and yet the quality of life here has improved (?), more people (so far) doesn't mean worse per se, although I agree at some point it will need to stop, which is a big challenge for the world all over.

 

I'm just rambling really and trying to oppose the view that they are just bad news all round, there are plenty of success stories here re first second generation migrants but then to some this is then seen as robbing opportunities from the indigenous population, but if the population is growing more of everything is needed? What were these people doing for the last 5-10 years they must be from a variety of workforces and in a country of presumably lesser social support they must be resourceful/hard working?

[Chris Wilson]

 

 

And still nothing from the UN. What an utterly useless organisation that has become.

 

Always has been, as we are seeing, when push comes to shoe we are a still a tribal society, and the whole ethos of a European Union falls apart at the seams. Razor wire goes up and Hungary says they don't want more Muslims as their country is strongly Christian (Catholic?) and they don't want that adulterating. There may be trouble ahead... As for Cameron, he's just reinforcing my long held belief he's wet, and near as damn it useless in a crisis, even now he's not hamstrung by being in a coalition.

[j_jza80]

Forgetting the current Syrian issue, has the uk become a worst place for multicultural immigration? Is the increase in population the potential problem rather than who makes up that increase?

 

The numbers are definitely the main issue. 330,000 this year alone. pretty much 1m every 3 years. if it carrier on at this rate, our population will be over 70m within 10 years. As for "who makes up that increase", well that varies. Many, probably the vast majority come here and integrate. But it is also clear that integration has failed in some areas.

 

It would be interesting to see the demographic of previously migrated cultures and their position in society job and status wise. This forum has it's proportion or Asian, Polish etc and is not worse for it, so why should the country?

 

I don't have anything for jobs, but the prison statistics paint a worrying picture.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEIQFjAHahUKEwik0YH8ld3HAhWkmtsKHei8Ayw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2Fsn04334.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFc5woMqfEk6pJKE2rqLrXlLM5oYg&sig2=RD-jKRDo_mACS-c5jEhp7Q

 

Population has grown massively since the second world war and yet the quality of life here has improved (?), more people (so far) doesn't mean worse per se, although I agree at some point it will need to stop, which is a big challenge for the world all over.

 

Even in relatively short 13 years I've been driving, the roads have become noticeably busier. In the last 10 years, waiting times at my local doctors increased from next day to 3-4 days, NHS waiting lists are at an all time high, the national grid are starting to warn of the risks of blackouts etc etc. These things are not purely caused by immigration, but they are a sign that our population has expanded far too quickly. My red line for population levels are when a country is unable to feed, and therefore sustain itself. Britain has been like that for at least 80 years.

 

I'm just rambling really and trying to oppose the view that they are just bad news all round, there are plenty of success stories here re first second generation migrants but then to some this is then seen as robbing opportunities from the indigenous population, but if the population is growing more of everything is needed? What were these people doing for the last 5-10 years they must be from a variety of workforces and in a country of presumably lesser social support they must be resourceful/hard working?

 

Only your Britain First/ EDL types would categorically dismiss immigration as bad. My issue with it is that our population is too high as it is (as I'm sure I mentioned somewhere before, England has the 4th highest population density of any major nation in the world), and short of introducing unethical limits on the number of children people can have, immigration is the only way to control it.

 

I am all for people coming here to fill shortages that we have. But the unrestricted immigration policy that we've had forced on us by the EU, that sees unskilled migrants come from all over Europe, is bad for the country. Especially when population density in countries like France and Spain are 1/3rd of our, and much lower than that elsewhere in Europe.

[Shane]

Something that I find interesting is that there is an online petition polling the government to take in refugees that is now at 360k+ signatures, but couldn't find one saying don't let them in. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/105991

 

But if you go to yougov and look at the hot topics and immigration is obviously one of these, the overwhelming majority of feedback suggests the majority view is not to accept them.

 

https://yougov.co.uk/opi/browse/Immigration

[j_jza80]

It's no great secret that leftwing protests / petitions are given a positive spin by the media, and rightwing ones are always portrayed as negative.

[Paul]

With Cameron accepting thousands more it's a good job we're building and opening more Hospitals and the NHS is in such a good state financially, it's great that there's a huge excess of empty, affordable housing and thank god the schools are half empty with plenty more being built......otherwise we'd really be in the shit

[Shane]

With Cameron accepting thousands more it's a good job we're building and opening more Hospitals and the NHS is in such a good state financially, it's great that there's a huge excess of empty, affordable housing and thank god the schools are half empty with plenty more being built......otherwise we'd really be in the shit

 

Well said.

 

Maybe Viktor Orban will be recalling this little chat from 2011 now:

[j_jza80]

Whatever people may think of him, there's no denying that Farages outbursts in the European parliament are entertaining.

[Nodalmighty]

Not the majority perhaps but a large chuck are, that is the people I am concerned about. The men are strong enough to work for themselves and take on hardship, I am sure we all have in many ways, perhaps not to the levels of some of these migrants\refugees but generally as men we are designed to take on the brunt. It is the children that concern me, an I don't think I would have felt this strong about it prior to my daughter.

 

I can Identify with that. Before my son came along I was quite ambivalent about things like this. Now if I hear or see anything bad with kids in I'm in bits. The boy on the beach being one of these. I didn't see a propaganda tool, I saw a a small boy who was dead through no fault of his own.

[grahamc]

The numbers are definitely the main issue. 330,000 this year alone. pretty much 1m every 3 years. if it carrier on at this rate, our population will be over 70m within 10 years. As for "who makes up that increase", well that varies. Many, probably the vast majority come here and integrate. But it is also clear that integration has failed in some areas.

 

 

 

I don't have anything for jobs, but the prison statistics paint a worrying picture.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEIQFjAHahUKEwik0YH8ld3HAhWkmtsKHei8Ayw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.parliament.uk%2Fbriefing-papers%2Fsn04334.pdf&usg=AFQjCNFc5woMqfEk6pJKE2rqLrXlLM5oYg&sig2=RD-jKRDo_mACS-c5jEhp7Q

 

 

 

Even in relatively short 13 years I've been driving, the roads have become noticeably busier. In the last 10 years, waiting times at my local doctors increased from next day to 3-4 days, NHS waiting lists are at an all time high, the national grid are starting to warn of the risks of blackouts etc etc. These things are not purely caused by immigration, but they are a sign that our population has expanded far too quickly. My red line for population levels are when a country is unable to feed, and therefore sustain itself. Britain has been like that for at least 80 years.

 

 

 

Only your Britain First/ EDL types would categorically dismiss immigration as bad. My issue with it is that our population is too high as it is (as I'm sure I mentioned somewhere before, England has the 4th highest population density of any major nation in the world), and short of introducing unethical limits on the number of children people can have, immigration is the only way to control it.

 

I am all for people coming here to fill shortages that we have. But the unrestricted immigration policy that we've had forced on us by the EU, that sees unskilled migrants come from all over Europe, is bad for the country. Especially when population density in countries like France and Spain are 1/3rd of our, and much lower than that elsewhere in Europe.

 

Exactly about the population - missus and I have been here for just over 12 years and the change is quite drastic, its at the point where if anything goes wrong everything falls apart.

 

RE the power and blackouts, South Africa is doing rolling blackouts for different areas and has been for some time, with no end in sight.