A country without borders is not a country.

[j_jza80]

One thing bothering right me is the UK's "anti migrant" stance in terms of migrants being branded as all violent criminals who will take our jobs.

 

People don't spend their life savings and then risk their lives getting to the EU because they want our dole money. The EU needs to help with their infrastructure on their home turf rather than try to stop immigrants with force. Help them help themselves rahte rthan lose billions erecting fences politically and physically.

 

The UK's "anti migrant stance" is a result of Labour and the EU forcing mass immigration on the country without asking the electorate.

 

I don't think many people are genuinely anti immigration though, sensible people just want some sort of selection process and sustainable limits, so that the countrys infrastructure and public services aren't overwhelmed. Unfortunately, businesses are using the European labour pool as an excuse not to train people.

[j_jza80]

Bare in mind their culture puts the man as the "breadwinner" so it's likely he's going to the EU in order to work and send money back home. I know a few Polish people, all good guys, speak English a lot better than most native UKerz'. All they do is get a job, usually on the lower pay end of the scale or start a small business, save up some money over the course of a few years, then move back to Poland to buy land and build a house. Normally it's the man of the house who does this, it's why you'd find perhaps more 18-30 year old polish men working than polish women.

 

If that is a regular occurrence, capital controls should be put in place to stop it. People who do that genuinely are a drain on the country.

[Scooter]

Not sure about you avoiding being a media sheep - certainly are doing a good job avoiding the facts and common sense.

 

And no; you have yet again ignored the obvious point like scooter before you.

 

You keep on saying that so please state the point again for us retards, thanks

[imi]

What should happen is that the UN should take control and force all countries including neighbouring Arab countries to take on their fair share of refugees (families get a priority). UK like Germany should also take in their quota of refugees - probably equalling 800K or more - for this round - no doubts there will be additional rounds moving forward as the precedent will have been set.

 

What we should NOT entertain is the chancers from Calais or the ones that are forcibly trying to break borders - they are not refugees, they are migrants and potentially criminals.

 

As for the impact on the UK - most definitely put more pressure on the finances of the UK as unlikely that most of these people will work or be allowed to work legally. Will reduce the quality of life for all - which is not that strenuous considering that we seem to be living unsustainable lives in any case - we can afford to change with a bit of compassion.

 

Expect an impact on the benefit system and social housing to reduce the share per claimant both genuine (which will be a shame) and for the benefit cheats (which I personally would like to happen).

 

This will then force a major overhaul of the welfare system, including NHS, hopefully unions, social housing, benefits, JSA, etc - which again is desperately needed - somehow even stop the free movement of people between the UK and Mainland - they will find a way to force this though.

[Chris Wilson]

Bare in mind their culture puts the man as the "breadwinner" so it's likely he's going to the EU in order to work and send money back home. I know a few Polish people, all good guys, speak English a lot better than most native UKerz'. All they do is get a job, usually on the lower pay end of the scale or start a small business, save up some money over the course of a few years, then move back to Poland to buy land and build a house. Normally it's the man of the house who does this, it's why you'd find perhaps more 18-30 year old polish men working than polish women.

 

 

You have just given a perfect definition of an economic migrant....

[imi]

You have just given a perfect definition of an economic migrant....

 

- isn't it worrying that all votes are counted equal.....

[imi]

http://qz.com/491751/hey-saudi-arabia-heres-what-you-can-do-to-help-the-syrian-refugees/

 

The giant construction companies that have built the gleaming towers of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Riyadh should be contracted to create shelters for the influx. Saudi Arabia has plenty of expertise at managing large numbers of arrivals: It receives an annual surge of millions of Hajj pilgrims to Mecca. There’s no reason all this knowhow can’t be put to humanitarian use.

[hogmaw]

I don't think anyone is denying that there are women and children among the migrants/refugees. But what Chris is quite rightly saying is that from the images in the media, amateur YouTube videos etc, the vast majority of these people are men, aged between 18 and 50. Overall very few have children with them.

 

I would not have my family today if my wife's grandfather had not escaped persecution under the nose of a gun in Czechoslovakia back in 1939. Are you saying he should have stayed and got shot? What would you have done? This is exactly what people are facing in Syria, and other countries, today, and have been for years, with no end in sight.

 

You have no idea what those men (and women & children) have been through to get to where they are today, no idea at all.

 

Oh and there were 12 others who were found dead on the beach, not just the little boy. And these deaths are the tip of the iceberg.

[Chris Wilson]

Like the little boy with the red shirt.

 

Yes Chris you really know what your're talking about.

 

Oh God, the little boy in the red shirt! People will be claiming they need counselling after seeing it next. It was pure emotional propaganda by sections of the press, I am more concerned about English kids, the ones so many uninsured, un-licenced immigrants manage tor run down each year. Or the family's of kids murdered by immigrant nutters, let out on bail, or released after earlier heinous crimes. Many of these criminals had records that our open border, or borderless mess allowed in un-vetted. Many will doubtless be amongst the yelling mob now boarding trains in Hungary to head who knows where, totally unfettered and unchecked. There are "kids in red shirts" meeting sad fates every hour, all over the world, including here. Get a grip...Emotional blackmail by kids in red shirts should not be controlling national security, or making inroads into how a government protects its indigenous population. We used to have Statesmen who realised that.

[Wez]

The worst thing about this situation is that the population would have been in favour of taking refugees, had it not been for Labour and the EU subjecting the country to over 15 years of mass, totally unregulated immigration. This reckless idea of free movement has resulted in extremist political groups gaining power all over the continent.

 

[Kendo11]

http://qz.com/491751/hey-saudi-arabia-heres-what-you-can-do-to-help-the-syrian-refugees/

 

The giant construction companies that have built the gleaming towers of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, and Riyadh should be contracted to create shelters for the influx. Saudi Arabia has plenty of expertise at managing large numbers of arrivals: It receives an annual surge of millions of Hajj pilgrims to Mecca. There’s no reason all this knowhow can’t be put to humanitarian use.

So?

 

Because they aren't means we shouldn't?

[imi]

So?

 

Because they aren't means we shouldn't?

 

seems like you are having a conversation with the voices in your head........

[Kendo11]

Oh God, the little boy in the red shirt! People will be claiming they need counselling after seeing it next. It was pure emotional propaganda by sections of the press, I am more concerned about English kids, the ones so many uninsured, un-licenced immigrants manage tor run down each year. Or the family's of kids murdered by immigrant nutters, let out on bail, or released after earlier heinous crimes. Many of these criminals had records that our open border, or borderless mess allowed in un-vetted. Many will doubtless be amongst the yelling mob now boarding trains in Hungary to head who knows where, totally unfettered and unchecked. There are "kids in red shirts" meeting sad fates every hour, all over the world, including here. Get a grip...Emotional blackmail by kids in red shirts should not be controlling national security, or making inroads into how a government protects its indigenous population. We used to have Statesmen who realised that.

^^ perfect example of how the situation is being dehumanised.

[imi]

So?

 

Because they aren't means we shouldn't?

 

When you read post 79 - did you understand what you were reading?

[j_jza80]

I would not have my family today if my wife's grandfather had not escaped persecution under the nose of a gun in Czechoslovakia back in 1939. Are you saying he should have stayed and got shot? What would you have done?

 

I wouldn't have a clue about your wives grandfather. Suffice to say, there weren't huge migration flows by Czechs across Europe. Was he Jewish or something? Many Czechs actually supported the Nazis before hand though, so it's a very different situation. (Czech had very strong industrial and economic ties to the Nazis, and German spending helped drag Czech out of the depression)

 

If I were in the same situation I am now (no children etc) I would definitely stay and fight. I would die rather than let people like the Nazis or Isis destroy my country.

 

You have no idea what those men (and women & children) have been through to get to where they are today, no idea at all.

 

I imagine it goes something along the lines of wanting to escape, leaving their homes, travelling across various countries to find transport, usually run by criminal gangs, who get them through to Europe. All the while facing starvation and exploitation.

 

Oh and there were 12 others who were found dead on the beach, not just the little boy. And these deaths are the tip of the iceberg.

[Kendo11]

When you read post 79 - did you understand what you were reading?

Clearly.

[hogmaw]

I wouldn't have a clue about your wives grandfather. Suffice to say, there weren't huge migration flows by Czechs across Europe. Was he Jewish or something? Many Czechs actually supported the Nazis before hand though, so it's a very different situation. (Czech had very strong industrial and economic ties to the Nazis, and German spending helped drag Czech out of the depression)

 

If I were in the same situation I am now (no children etc) I would definitely stay and fight. I would die rather than let people like the Nazis or Isis destroy my country.

 

 

 

I imagine it goes something along the lines of wanting to escape, leaving their homes, travelling across various countries to find transport, usually run by criminal gangs, who get them through to Europe. All the while facing starvation and exploitation.

 

Oh and there were 12 others who were found dead on the beach, not just the little boy. And these deaths are the tip of the iceberg.

 

You're being very judgemental about a situation that you really don't understand. How can you say you would stay and fight? Easy when you're sat at home in front of the computer.

 

Have you ever been in a chronic life or death situation, with or without loved ones?

[hogmaw]

Oh God, the little boy in the red shirt! People will be claiming they need counselling after seeing it next. It was pure emotional propaganda by sections of the press, I am more concerned about English kids, the ones so many uninsured, un-licenced immigrants manage tor run down each year. Or the family's of kids murdered by immigrant nutters, let out on bail, or released after earlier heinous crimes. Many of these criminals had records that our open border, or borderless mess allowed in un-vetted. Many will doubtless be amongst the yelling mob now boarding trains in Hungary to head who knows where, totally unfettered and unchecked. There are "kids in red shirts" meeting sad fates every hour, all over the world, including here. Get a grip...Emotional blackmail by kids in red shirts should not be controlling national security, or making inroads into how a government protects its indigenous population. We used to have Statesmen who realised that.

 

Kids in red shirts should do exactly that Chris. Nothing else seems to be stirring the population from its slumber. Just like the photo of the girl in Vietnam, running naked down the road with her skin burnt off, brought home the horrific nature of the Vietnam war and changed opinion on that war, I hope this tragic picture does the same.

 

It appears that you care only about the people of the UK, nothing else matters to you. In fact you don't care about people in general at all. You don't seem to understand that the UK is, whether you like it or not, a land that has been and forever will be geographically and politically close to Europe. As the population of the world gets bigger, and communication systems develop further, the UK will be further integrated into Europe, and the rest of the world. And that means dealing with the problems that come our way.

 

The alternative is for the UK to become more like North Korea. In fact you'd probably like that wouldn't you?

[j_jza80]

And that means dealing with the problems that come our way.

 

This migration issue isn't the problem, it is a symptom. The problem is war, famine, inequality and awful human rights in Africa and the Middle East.

 

Admitting loads of people here is not going to solve anything, it will just spread the underlying issues. And while these areas of the world continue to have the top birthrates, even admitting them all here will do nothing.

 

The answer is to destroy Isis, and sort things out with Assad. Bringing them here, and then watching their country burn from afar is really sickening.

[j_jza80]

 

You're being very judgemental about a situation that you really don't understand. How can you say you would stay and fight? Easy when you're sat at home in front of the computer.

 

Have you ever been in a chronic life or death situation, with or without loved ones?

 

I've already covered those points, clearly. I've even elaborated on those with children. My issue is with the vast majority of them who appear to be fit young(ish) men with no women and no children. Who, by their appearances all over the media, forgot their passports and any for of identification, but remembered clean clothes and hair gel?

 

And just to reiterate, no, I could never run. Not while my country was descending into hell.

[Big Supes]

Messy messy situation and another that west is responsible for. Put them on Mars?

[Chris Wilson]

I see the BBC are excelling themselves with the bias and pressure they are showing. If you buy a national newspaper you expect the Mail to be right wing, and the Guardian to be left wing. To watch the nauseating and underhand way the BBC are sucking up to the left and pillorying the right is plain unacceptable, they are supposed to be politically neutral. Quite wrong, and utterly indefensible, I hope this out of control money squandering , (but once great) institution is pruned back to an acceptable neutral voice of what's going on.

 

It seems the Hungarian prime minister is standing firm and supporting the law as to where refugees are processed. How long he can hand on I don't know. The European Union is not very united tonight

[j_jza80]

I'm not a huge fan of Camoron, but the interview the BBC gave him earlier was completely out of order. The interviewer lost his composure, and became properly hysterical. So much for our neutral public news service.

[Suprakeith]

It's about time we got out the union and started looking after our country and its people, we can't accept everyone into this country and look after them as they lower the tone of neighbour hoods while people like myself work long hours and get nothing apart from abuse from the people our government says need help and support.

[Kendo11]

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