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j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe, just maybe, some of them are simply trying to do the right thing? Why not welcome them? They are humans. I agree, that neighbouring states should welcome them (as some are doing). And when those neighbouring states can't cope, then their neighbouring states should assist (very hit and miss) But England should not have to bare this burden. Our population density is almost 3 times that of France and Poland, 4 1/2 times that of Spain, over twice Germany's. England has the 4th highest population density of any major nation in the world, and we already have record migration levels. It is a totally unsustainable situation. Until there is some continental parity in this respect, England, Sweden, Denmark etc shouldn't be expected to take any more. Really, it should be down to the UN to sort this crisis, not the EU. They should distribute these migrants around underpopulated nations who need their unique skills and abilities around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I know we are not, because thankfully Camoron has actually done the decent thing and said no. And we have already given £800m to Syrian refugees. We are doing far more than most. But we can not fix the world on our own, other countries will have to step forward and help. It certainly does not help that these refugees are travelling through perfectly safe countries because they want to live in more affluent areas. That does not strike of desperation. We also have an obligation to future generations of Britons to make sure their country is not an overcrowded mess. We do not own this country, and it is not ours to destroy. We are merely custodians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bignum Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Maybe, just maybe, some of them are simply trying to do the right thing? Why not welcome them? They are humans. Thanks for the pm, Glad you could help out, there`s 50 odd of mixed in a truck heading over to your house. thought i was going to be stuck with them;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think you're being sarcastic/joking there. You must be? Nope i'm not, we need to shut door & put the walls back up & that applies to the rest of europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 £800m is completely and utterly worthless in the face of his ineptitude and indecisive attitude over Syria in the first place. His, our & Blairs responsibility for what is currently happening in the middle east is obvious. That is an enormous sum of money. To put it into context, that is enough to give 100,000 migrants £8000 each. Being totally dismissive of this fact is very unfair, the UK is one of the biggest suppliers of aid relief in the world. Per capita we are probably THE best overall. counties are stepping forward and helping, and doing much, much more than they should in light of the failures of others. We can and should do more. Like who, exactly? Many countries are doing something because they have no choice, their borders have been overrun. And their idea of help is sticking them in enormous tented detention camps. The other point about them trying to get to more affluent areas, that in the main is simply not the case for the refugees. Very easily spun by the media though. Who are all these Syrians in Hungary then? The ones demanding to get on trains to Germany? Or those in Greece, travelling to Northern Europe? Sorry but nor are we custodians, we are here by luck. It is a piece of land that we've happened to be born on. Our obligation is to our fellow man. That is exactly why we are custodians, and not owners. The planet is not ours to do with as we please. The planet, and the non human inhabitants of the planet are the real innocent parties here, our whole race is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imi Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I know we are not, because thankfully Camoron has actually done the decent thing and said no. And we have already given £800m to Syrian refugees. We are doing far more than most. But we can not fix the world on our own, other countries will have to step forward and help. It certainly does not help that these refugees are travelling through perfectly safe countries because they want to live in more affluent areas. That does not strike of desperation. We also have an obligation to future generations of Britons to make sure their country is not an overcrowded mess. We do not own this country, and it is not ours to destroy. We are merely custodians. Good post - we don't always see eye to eye The ones bypassing perfectly safe countries like Turkey are not refugees - they are chancers (potentially criminals and even worse IS) and we can do without them. Where are the rich gulf countries - shouldn't they be welcoming their fellow Arab brethren? Same culture customs, language, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 we don't always see eye to eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imi Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Problem is we have a rising population of people in Britain who don't pay their way through life and are accustomed to the perception that's everything is on the house. These unrealistic socialists have zero understanding of the unsustainable pressure the country is in as their only contribution is the labour vote once every 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Good post - we don't always see eye to eye The ones bypassing perfectly safe countries like Turkey are not refugees - they are chancers (potentially criminals and even worse IS) and we can do without them. Where are the rich gulf countries - shouldn't they be welcoming their fellow Arab brethren? Same culture customs, language, etc I make you 100% right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Refugees my ar*e, bunch of freeloaders waiting to take advantage of our country, let Hungary keep them, might redress the balance for the Eastern Europeans over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Did the forum just become Britain First or something... ....or something. It's OK to try and force your leftie views down everyone's throat so I thought I'd balance it out a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Problem is we have a rising population of people in Britain who don't pay their way through life and are accustomed to the perception that's everything is on the house. These unrealistic socialists have zero understanding of the unsustainable pressure the country is in as their only contribution is the labour vote once every 5 years. I agree with you to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Did the forum just become Britain First or something... Let's hope Cameron is on here & gets the message - - - Updated - - - What's a leftie? You;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Our obligation is to our fellow man. Yet you lock your doors at night. Don't let people just wonder in your house. Open your fridge and eat your food. Animals look after their own territory. So do humans. We work hard for our personal belongings, but also work hard for our country, our land that we were just born in. We work for a stable environment, somewhere we can bring up our children, make it safe for them. We work for money, then spend our money. So what do you think the difference is between your home and the land? Oh wait, you worked for those things, paid money for those things, you call them your possessions. Yet you have them by luck, because you were born in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Again, refugee. Not migrant. A refugee is a type of migrant, so the broad terminology is perfectly valid. It is when someone broadly describes migrants as refugees without knowing their motives that it is incorrect. It is an irrelevant sum of money as I said. £8000 is 4 years salary on minimum wage in Syria, so I would hardly call it irrelevant. Here is a list of all countries by the amount of aid they give; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_governments_by_development_aid Hardly insignificant. How many lives does that aid save? Are they insignificant? We have a responsibility for some of the situation in that region, I very much doubt a refugee cares much for £8000 if his/her whole family and home have been wiped out. Money becomes unimportant, hence irrelevant. If money is unimportant, why aren't these migrants staying in Greece, Italy, Spain etc? Why Germany, Sweden and the UK? We do have responsibilities, and we are helping them. But as I clearly demonstrated (and to which you haven't replied), we are already seriously overpopulated. Would you support the destruction of our countryside to house people. I mean, we already need a city the size of Birmingham every three years to support current migration... Firstly, 216. That is how many we have currently taken in as a refugee from Syria. Compare that with the amount other countries are welcoming. The people of Iceland for example have today pledged up for 11,000 safe places to home refugees. The worst thing about this situation is that the population would have been in favour of taking refugees, had it not been for Labour and the EU subjecting the country to over 15 years of mass, totally unregulated immigration. This reckless idea of free movement has resulted in extremist political groups gaining power all over the continent. Correct our whole race is the problem but does that mean everyone has to be part of it? Believe the media spin? Go along with everyone else because it's easier? But while you support unchecked, unregulated and unsustainable migration flows, you are a part of the problem. Everything we do as a race should be dictated by what we can sustain, for the good of the planet, and for the future of our race. And what effect do you think these huge migrations are having on Syria? Countries with high emigration suffer 'brain drain', making the prosperity of those nations harder. And what of all the you, fighting age men who are fleeing/migrating from Syria? Why aren't they fighting for their country? They are damning it to a future of either the totalitarianism of Assad, or the even more monstrous alternative. Do they think that these evil forces are just going to give up and hand them their country back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 War? Who wants to guess when? Cameron is weak, the US leadership is risibly weak, the West's economy is weak. History shows this situation is the forerunner to a good big war (the unprecedented level of economic migration puts an unknown, and definitely worrying mix into the equation). Will the war be on a civil level? European? Global? Whatever, I think it's coming...The European economy is laughable, the Schengen open borders political experiment is being replaced by razor fences, soon to be bolstered by the military, the "desperate, pitiful, so called refugees" are all but rioting in Hungary, and Calais, but that bold country is at least making a lone stance. The Liberal left are saying poor people, despite most looking far from bomb struck, and more like a load of well dressed chancers. How many Notting Hill nouveau riche residents REALLY want more muggings and plastic beggars, despite their posturing in the media? Regent Street is already like a Roma satellite camp. Bring on the benevolent (to the true UK working, and supporting population) dictator, we are becoming more tribal by the day. As for the poor residents of some of the Italian islands, one can only pity how their once peaceful lives have been changed by these uncontrolled influxes. I honestly feel seriously fearful for parents of young kids in this country, their future is very bleak. As for IS, Russian muscle flexing, and the Chinese economical palpations.... All well and good the do gooders saying we should take in more so called refugees, rural doctors are under genuine stress, schools are dropping standards and increasing class sizes year on year, while the languages of their pupilds become more and more foreign, holding back the indigenous children, and the CBI tells us the standard of school leavers is getting to the level where they are either unemployable or plain unwilling to work. Nature will sort it, the period whilst it does so will testing. Time for my cocoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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