Chris Wilson Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 At least he's doing something. Cameron and Obama have done sod all save talk and have those damned "Cobra" meetings. Finally some positive action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 those damned "Cobra" meetings. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that name ridiculous it's like something out of an action man cartoon What happened to cool classic English names like War Cabinet, Special Operations Executive and Strike Command? They probably disappeared when the proper politicians did, those who served the countries armed forces like Churchill and Attlee. This current lot (Farage and Corbyn included) are a waste of oxygen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I would guess that the Israelis are pressurising their Americans and British sympathisers that a Russian presence in Syria is not to their long term liking and would prefer to be rid of Assad who is no supporter of Israel, and have a puppet government they have influence over. I would imagine they are getting serious heebie jeebies over the region's constant state of flux. one conspiracy theory is that the turmoil within the Arab nations takes their focus away from organising and orchestrating efforts against the chosen nation. whats that saying - don't ..... on your own doorstep... One might have hoped that the US and UK would have learnt that dictators do a better job in these tribal hell holes than our meddling has achieved. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Reports going around that a Russian SU25 has been brought down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Reports going around that a Russian SU25 has been brought down. Su24 sorry, and nothing confirmed yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 NATO warns Russia to cease attacks on 'moderate' rebels http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34448942 And yet, Turkey (a NATO member) is doing exactly the same thing by attacking the Kurds. Even the poor Kurdish refugees are facing discrimination by Turkey. This situation was already very bad, but it seems to be spiralling out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 At least he's doing something. Cameron and Obama have done sod all save talk and have those damned "Cobra" meetings. Finally some positive action! I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that name ridiculous it's like something out of an action man cartoon What happened to cool classic English names like War Cabinet, Special Operations Executive and Strike Command? They probably disappeared when the proper politicians did, those who served the countries armed forces like Churchill and Attlee. This current lot (Farage and Corbyn included) are a waste of oxygen. COBRA = Cabinet Office, Briefing Room A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It still sounds silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 It is silly, a sap to the trendies. Silly just like NATO haranguing Russia, who, in their decisiveness and somewhat Cavalier manner, are finding some surprising support from younger people. They have launched a handful of strikes and are realistic enough to know ID'ing ISIS members distributed throughout a vast country, with no obvious distinguishing features like uniforms, is impractical. Maybe the youth of today are starved of "father figures" and hence why the likes of ISIS and Putin find unlikely support among many disaffected young people? For Cameron to lambaste Assad as a "butcher" is an insult to the British intelligence, we have seen how these butchers of the current minute were our friends of yore and tomorrow. Surely people realize at long last that stability was strongest in these places with a ruthless dictator at the helm? To be brutally honest, looking at the mess the current influx of migrants into Europe will cause, and the general over population and potentially hugely rapid population growth this influx is likely to create, a good war may be our saviour. The politicians have no answers, they are too busy having their COBRA meeting equivalents, terrified of offending anyone, trying to be "good mates" with all and sundry, save for Hungary, who surprised me by their forthrightness and stolid attitude. Interesting days. How many have we got left I wonder? Time for a pint tonight I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The truth still puts on the shoes while lies are half way around the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Let in all types, doesn't seem like the Law applies to them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Although personally I don't think the above really has any relation to the thread (you get awful people and nut jobs from all backgrounds, races, religions and creeds), your point does highlight a very serious issue. Of these many thousands of people who are entering Europe every day (9000+ per day is the current estimate!), of which a great deal have 'misplaced' their papers, how many will be criminals, sex offenders, murderers, war criminals etc? Even if it is only 1%, it is still a huge number at the current rate of migration. As the general percentage of the population of the UK with a criminal record stands at circa 12%, we can safely assume it will be higher than 1%. So that is at least 33,000 every year! And when winter hits, how many previously innocent migrants/refugees will turn to crime out of desperation? This awful, mismanaged free for all is going to get much, much worse before it gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 What the hell are our so called security services playing at: http://tribune.com.pk/story/993905/british-terror-sponsors-held-in-hungary/ We should pre-emptively have a state of national emergency here, following the French atrocities, with an immediate law change to allow random stop and search, home searches, car searches etcetera. Internment for at least 50 days without charge, and the immediate training of more police for firearms duty, and the supply of effective, modern fully automatic weapons to those already trained. I am told by the media that our armed officers are equipped with ineffective weapons to tackle fully automatic rifle armed militants. Over 5000 (five THOUSAND) rounds fired taking the apartment of the terrorists in France yesterday..... As usual, there's much Cobra meeting, much talking, much apologising, much soft footing but **gger all effective Draconian action. How the HELL did those two get out of the UK and as far as Hungary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 They are not the only two banned from travel that I have read about this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I like some of the posts, some people here are making statements that put them in the same category as Mr. Hussein and Mr. Gaddafi and I don't think these are the regimes western world is fighting for.. Although this is a well planned and terrible act of terrorism it is not a super massive one or complicated and victim count is not that great, take 1 plane crash, over 200 people died in Egipt just a few weeks ago, acts like this happen all the time, so no need to panic and initiate wartime laws and neglect human rights. Just relax make a deep breath and have faith in MI6 I am sure they know what they are doing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 Cobblers! we need decisive action, not the pussy footing that the government's perform most of the time,. whatever the reasons for this kind of attack, there is no excuse, these people need to be dealt with with extreme prejudice! And if that puts me in the same frame as Gadaffe the so be it! its because we are so fecking politically correct that we get these murdering scum being able to commit these atrocities, I would happily volunteer to take out these scum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I am sure Royal Navy and RAF are recruiting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 LOL! if I where forty years younger I might consider it, however if they want to train seniors a s snipers I'm in. Edit: LOL! again as thought this was the "Paris" thread, oh well same applied to the foreign or British torrirists...shoot on sight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 our armed officers are equipped with ineffective weapons to tackle fully automatic rifle armed militants. But our guys have the ability to fire aimed shots with accurate, well maintained weapons, not just spray rounds around from an AK47 thats been knocked together from parts god knows how many different weapons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 But our guys have the ability to fire aimed shots with accurate, well maintained weapons, not just spray rounds around from an AK47 thats been knocked together from parts god knows how many different weapons You forgot to add: 40 years ago ))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 The French may think that random spraying is still effective though. A bullet from a knackered faux AK47 kills just as well as one from a polished and pristine Heckler and Koch I guess.... Plus "our guys" are no doubt wondering if they will face charges of murder, claims for compo and God knows what, which kind of de focuses the mind. We need a step change in political correctness nonsense, and as for human rights..... Don't get me going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 I am sure Royal Navy and RAF are recruiting... No doubt, with positive discrimination for homosexuals, women and ethnics If they can afford their wages of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 No doubt, with positive discrimination for homosexuals, women and ethnics If they can afford their wages of course. Didn't quite understand what do you mean? what does ethnicity have to do with that? I think you would not want to have you and your wife searched anywhere anytime with no reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 I would welcome it, it would make me feel much safer to think officials were doing something positive. As for ethnicity I have an uncomfortable time accepting that all ethnics in the armed services are chosen purely for their desire and ability, and not to swing the PC figures one way. As the armed services are hell bent on being seen as PC they are bending over backwards to put women into front line duties, which is plain ridiculous, and to accepting homosexuals, which was unheard of in quite recent times. All this bleating that the Met is stopping and searching too many coloureds is something that makes my blood boil, given the preponderance of coloured people involved in serious crime and terrorism. It's not the Mets fault the statistics stack up the way they do. Just look at the prison population percentages for a graphic example. Gangland shootings? How many whites versus blacks? Major drug dealers? Terrorists? They need to do what they need to do, no apologies, no ifs, no buts, given the present situation especially. This is why UKIP is doing so well, people aren't daft, they see what they see, they feel what they feel, they vote for those who support their views. I suspect they may well gain in strength considerably in the coming months. It's time the UK government and military put silly politically correct games aside and got on with the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 It's a pity you think in this way, armed forces and ethnicity no problem and they don't just take anyone I am a qualified engineer with MSc and they didn't take me because I am non UK citizen (EU) so it means everyone in the army is British and is doing that for not only for money but the idea (not like I am mischievous or something), armed forces and gay and women yes not a good idea. Gay divide to 2 categories: Gay - normal blokes who biologically broken and just like c..k, fair play not their fault, it will not affect their work in the army and would never condemn the bloke, and fa...ts: these are feminine like blokes who are useless not only for the army... Excuse my intolerance. Women in the army is it really a good idea? Can she take on an equally trained bloke in need be? More Black crime than White is for a reason, historically these people end up on different level in different classes and you can't change it in 1 or 2 generations. And don't forget that there are still people alive who knows what racial segregation is, these people and their descents can't become top educated class in a blink of an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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