Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Agreed, no corroboration when I Google the situation. Unless....Googles in on it and working with the German government to hide it from us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 My money would be behind Putin, Cameron and that idiot in the US must be mad not to support Assad. At least the Russians have troops on the ground are fighting IS, and they have manpower, fire power and the necessary ruthless streak aplenty. Putin is the only one of the leaders that actually has a plan. Even if you might not agree with it, at least he's got the sense to form a working plan, the rest of 'em seem paralysed into inaction by fear of upsetting someone. If they don't agree on something soon it's really going to get messy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-34392667 Interesting times ahead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Hopefully some red blooded patriotic young British males will have a word with them if they are granted asylum in the UK, and persuade them from committing further offences, maybe even persuade them life is not as good as they imagine in the UK and lands far afield are even more appealing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Putin is the only one of the leaders that actually has a plan. Even if you might not agree with it, at least he's got the sense to form a working plan, the rest of 'em seem paralysed into inaction by fear of upsetting someone. If they don't agree on something soon it's really going to get messy. I would guess that the Israelis are pressurising their Americans and British sympathisers that a Russian presence in Syria is not to their long term liking and would prefer to be rid of Assad who is no supporter of Israel, and have a puppet government they have influence over. I would imagine they are getting serious heebie jeebies over the region's constant state of flux. One might have hoped that the US and UK would have learnt that dictators do a better job in these tribal hell holes than our meddling has achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Anyway, it will soon be an irrelevance as the whole population of the middle east will be European citizens or insurgents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Might be worth a separate discussion, but Russia have already started in Syria. Aside from the troops that have been on the ground for a couple of months the bombing campaign started literally straight after the Kremlin announcement today. Good or bad intentions & whatever the outcome (won't be good) they have allegedly just bombed a non-ISIS town & FSA hospital. Over 20 dead so far. They have also apparently told the US to keep their airplanes away from the area for the foreseeable. One itchy finger on the red button and this will end very, very badly. Sources: direct on the ground reports via Twitter, YouTube & liveleak. As for the Bassingbourn 3, creatures like that need euthanasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 As for the Bassingbourn 3, creatures like that need euthanasing. not for that per se, but I have never understood how we cannot just refuse these people on the grounds of this criminal behaviour? Who/what are fighting for/allowing them to proceed? The same with that 'hook' guy just ship him out the country and ship any lawyer type that tries to represent him to fight his case. I know the flip side is that some will abuse this 'power' but it's ridiculous these types even get a look in and it has a ripple effect through the normal populace that we are powerless to stop undesirables, thus heightening the fear factor around refugees/migrants in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Their motives/actions aside, you have to respect the Russians no nonsense attitude. The same day the okay was given by parliament, the attacks begun. It took the EU 2 weeks to organise an emergency meeting. The west is shackled by corrupt, parasitic beaurocracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Tens of thousands of people migrating through countries and not much infighting in my opinion. Hungarian border walls and police presence that despite a flare up on both sides was not a major issue (and not infighting at all) the same as this latest (definitely infighting) mass brawl in a camp. 14 injured? what no beheadings? probably a couple of idiots having a male ego clash (they are everywhere in every culture - tell me you don't know a perfectly reasonable guy that has no money, family or security problems that on occasion fancies the odd confrontation or full on scrap) that spins out of control like a pub bar fight. Lots of people together in any one place for an extended time, with restrictions on movement will cause tensions and yes with a variety of cultures, nationalities and religions more so. I'm not saying there aren't undesirables within the camps/migrants but you can point fingers at the miners strike, London riots and Football hooliganism, hell even nearly every city centre on a Friday night etc to say the indigenous population of the UK are naturally violent but that would be assuming the actions of a few represent that of the majority. Best post on this thread. I would guess that the Israelis are pressurising their Americans and British sympathisers that a Russian presence in Syria is not to their long term liking and would prefer to be rid of Assad who is no supporter of Israel, and have a puppet government they have influence over. I would imagine they are getting serious heebie jeebies over the region's constant state of flux. One might have hoped that the US and UK would have learnt that dictators do a better job in these tribal hell holes than our meddling has achieved. Saddam & Gaddafi did say they was keeping these monsters at bay, don't forget we worked with them very closely. Anyway, it will soon be an irrelevance as the whole population of the middle east will be European citizens or insurgents Chris you clearly have not been out in the Middle East (have you ever been out of the UK?) Might be worth a separate discussion, but Russia have already started in Syria. Aside from the troops that have been on the ground for a couple of months the bombing campaign started literally straight after the Kremlin announcement today. Good or bad intentions & whatever the outcome (won't be good) they have allegedly just bombed a non-ISIS town & FSA hospital. Bombing civilians and hospitals, that's normally Israel's Modus Operandi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Their motives/actions aside, you have to respect the Russians no nonsense attitude. The same day the okay was given by parliament, the attacks begun. It took the EU 2 weeks to organise an emergency meeting. The west is shackled by corrupt, parasitic beaurocracy. Not really sure I can respect them in the slightest based on this mornings actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Best post on this thread.[/Quote] Only because I got rid of my others Bombing civilians and hospitals, that's normally Israel's Modus Operandi. Ah but we're not allowed to speak bad of Israel remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 not for that per se, but I have never understood how we cannot just refuse these people on the grounds of this criminal behaviour? Who/what are fighting for/allowing them to proceed? The same with that 'hook' guy just ship him out the country and ship any lawyer type that tries to represent him to fight his case. I know the flip side is that some will abuse this 'power' but it's ridiculous these types even get a look in and it has a ripple effect through the normal populace that we are powerless to stop undesirables, thus heightening the fear factor around refugees/migrants in general. Oh I completely agree. All it takes is a hot shot lawyer with knowledge of EU Human Rights to overrule our own government though and the decision is out of our hands. Right or wrong that is why that is. Hopefully common sense will prevail but I doubt it. There's been no definitive and clear guidance & strategy on this whole topic so I don't have much faith it'll be different for 3 individuals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 My current concern about the flow of refugees (I hate that some tabloids call them immigrants) is the strong possibility of ISIS trained combatants - Something ISIS promised would happen. I can't remember the source but they said they'd be implanting ISIS members among Syrian refugees to carry out attacks in Europe. Very slim chance of anything coming out of it thanks to our intelligence services and the fact that an ISIS fanatic will probably change his mind once he's out of Syria or Iraq and away from ISIS fearmongering. given the prospect of bombing a capital city or starting a new life in Syria as paid for by terrorists... I'd prefer to keep my head down in France. RE Russia, I'm hoping it'll spark a bit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".If the Us/UK work with Russia to end ISIS it'll relieve a lot of tension between the West and Russia I think. Or am I hoping for too much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Oh I completely agree. All it takes is a hot shot lawyer with knowledge of EU Human Rights to overrule our own government though and the decision is out of our hands. Right or wrong that is why that is. Hopefully common sense will prevail but I doubt it. There's been no definitive and clear guidance & strategy on this whole topic so I don't have much faith it'll be different for 3 individuals. Which shows why the current human rights legislation is horribly flawed. It should be called Offenders rights, as all too often the victims are overlooked in favour of the rights of the offender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Which shows why the current human rights legislation is horribly flawed. It should be called Offenders rights, as all too often the victims are overlooked in favour of the rights of the offender. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 My current concern about the flow of refugees (I hate that some tabloids call them immigrants) is the strong possibility of ISIS trained combatants - Something ISIS promised would happen. I can't remember the source but they said they'd be implanting ISIS members among Syrian refugees to carry out attacks in Europe. Very slim chance of anything coming out of it thanks to our intelligence services and the fact that an ISIS fanatic will probably change his mind once he's out of Syria or Iraq and away from ISIS fearmongering. given the prospect of bombing a capital city or starting a new life in Syria as paid for by terrorists... I'd prefer to keep my head down in France. RE Russia, I'm hoping it'll spark a bit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".If the Us/UK work with Russia to end ISIS it'll relieve a lot of tension between the West and Russia I think. Or am I hoping for too much? Putin isn't overly interested in ISIS unfortunately. Seems he's looking at the long game in terms of propping up Assad, strengthening ties with Iran and expanding Russian influence in that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Tinfoil hat time. [ATTACH]205349[/ATTACH] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Tinfoil hat time. Its always been a holy war hasnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Putin isn't overly interested in ISIS unfortunately. I think the Russians dislike Isis more that you may think. Historically, Russia/USSR has had very mixed relations with the Islamic communities within its sphere of influence. They probably view Isis as more of a threat than the west. But... Seems he's looking at the long game in terms of propping up Assad, strengthening ties with Iran and expanding Russian influence in that region. Exactly. Though every nation does that one way of another. Saudi, UAE, South Korea, Mexico etc are Americas bitch, because even though they may fundamentally disagree with them in some ways, they know it is better to be by their side than in their way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think the Russians dislike Isis more that you may think. Historically, Russia/USSR has had very mixed relations with the Islamic communities within its sphere of influence. They probably view Isis as more of a threat than the west. But... Exactly. Though every nation does that one way of another. Saudi, UAE, South Korea, Mexico etc are Americas bitch, because even though they may fundamentally disagree with them in some ways, they know it is better to be by their side than in their way. I'm going by sources in Russian media quoting Kremlin officials. Putin isn't the knight in shining armour that Obama/Cameron probably want him to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I'm going by sources in Russian media quoting Kremlin officials. Putin isn't the knight in shining armour that Obama/Cameron probably want him to be. I think he is. But not by the actions, but his threat. With Russia on side to tackle Isis, will spur other governments to do more. Heaven forbid we get out done by Russia. Or have Russia leading the way. But also Russia is a member of the security council. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I think he is. But not by the actions, but his threat. With Russia on side to tackle Isis, will spur other governments to do more. Heaven forbid we get out done by Russia. Or have Russia leading the way. But also Russia is a member of the security council. He's started off well then, bombing one of the more organised groups currently fighting against ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 If nothing else, hopefully it will dissuade the Turks from helping Isis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 If nothing else, hopefully it will dissuade the Turks from helping Isis. That would definitely be welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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