Abz Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What surprises me about these situations is that no matter whether it's helping refugees or starting a war money is seemingly conjured out of some big money box after we have been told for years we have to cut back on goverment spending.I suspect this lot may come out of the existing aid budget. We always got money for bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanya Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What I don't understand is how can US destabilise the situation in the Middle East that much and then walk away saying ok we will take 10k? Let Europe clear the shit for us! Wtf?! Places like Iraq and Libya were very nice.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What I don't understand is how can US destabilise the situation in the Middle East that much and then walk away saying ok we will take 10k? Let Europe clear the $#@! for us! Wtf?! Places like Iraq and Libya were very nice.. Cause muppets like our countries support them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 What surprises me about these situations is that no matter whether it's helping refugees or starting a war money is seemingly conjured out of some big money box after we have been told for years we have to cut back on goverment spending.I suspect this lot may come out of the existing aid budget. 200B should be enough to support our lax welfare system including a huge bunch of Lazy louts that are a burden to society Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 computer forum called "Overclockers" and the discussion on this subject has become extremely heated. This? http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18690177 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supra Size Me Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Throughout the course of history of our planet man has fought wars over the control of land and resources. Under the veiled guise of religious diversity some of the wars have lasted milennia in one form or another. In the early years men fought with spear and sword, more recently as technology has advanced guns and hellfire missiles have replaced the more traditional methods on the battlefield. Through all of the blood spilled in those wars one simple premise was missed by all of the warmongers of history, in order to invade a continent all you need to do is put down your weapons and rely on human nature and compassion to be your weapons of warfare. Also throughout history a famous saying has taken a variety of forms, used by some of the most well known people in history including the likes of the Prophet Muhammad "The ink of the scholar is holier than the blood of the martyr" and William Shakespeare "... many wearing rapiers are afraid of goosequills." Today in these uncertain times I give to you my variant on the saying... "The PAIN is mightier than the sword..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 To all the people saying war for land is wrong. How can we "own" land or lay claim to it. I hope your garden has no fences and you're happy for anyone to roam through your land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 This? http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18690177 Very long but some interesting posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Pete: Yes, that's the forum, now various threads pertaining to the subject. I see several sources of repute now realising that the general public is no longer fooled by calling these migrants refugees. For example, this rather nasty incident of tribalism in an immigrant holding centre in a major German town, where Pakistani and Alabanians were slugging it out for several hours before a large police contingent brought things under control. Despite officers being hurt no arrests were made. Now what exactly are Albanians and Pakistanis doing there? As far as I know neither country is considered dangerous, food aside, so how many really are from Syria and genuine war zones, and how many have torn up their papers and just claimed to be from war zones? How many just brazen it out and join the throng of illegals marching into Europe with zero checks to their ID or origin for their own gain or clandestine purposes? http://www.albawaba.com/news/clashes-break-out-german-refugee-camp-748108 And when all these young men gain European citizenship, are they to be allowed to bring their often extended families over, with similarly no checks to their ID's? The situation is truly nightmarish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 And when all these young men gain European citizenship, are they to be allowed to bring their often extended families over, with similarly no checks to their ID's? The situation is truly nightmarish. And there lies another aspect to this, so Germany says no-one else wants you so come on in and a few years down the line they get German citizenship, then surely as Eu passport holders they can go to whatever country in the Eu they want anyhow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 And there lies another aspect to this, so Germany says no-one else wants you so come on in and a few years down the line they get German citizenship, then surely as EU passport holders they can go to whatever country in the EU they want anyhow? I believe that's European Schengen law as it stands right now, yes. What i find disquieting is how the British media seem to have stopped much reporting, especiaslly reporting of unrest, it's as if they fear violence from the far Right spreading, and I fear it will, many of these European states have a long standing far Right faction and they are *NOT* happy about their countries open door policies, especially those being forced upon them by their more Liberal neighbours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Like this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34372548 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3250984/Spanish-voters-polls-today-local-elections-finally-lead-independence-Catalonia.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/catalan-separatists-win-election-and-claim-it-as-yes-vote-for-breakaway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Pete: Yes, that's the forum, now various threads pertaining to the subject. I see several sources of repute now realising that the general public is no longer fooled by calling these migrants refugees. For example, this rather nasty incident of tribalism in an immigrant holding centre in a major German town, where Pakistani and Alabanians were slugging it out for several hours before a large police contingent brought things under control. Despite officers being hurt no arrests were made. Now what exactly are Albanians and Pakistanis doing there? As far as I know neither country is considered dangerous, food aside, so how many really are from Syria and genuine war zones, and how many have torn up their papers and just claimed to be from war zones? How many just brazen it out and join the throng of illegals marching into Europe with zero checks to their ID or origin for their own gain or clandestine purposes?. Under labour there was a spurt of "scam colleges" setup - over the years there has been an influx of "students" in the country - i've lost count of the number of "MBA students" working as waiters in kebab shops for £3 per hour..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 All is not well in Germany. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34380438 Now they're discussing putting migrants of different ethnicities / cultures in different camps. So much for coming here to start a new life, seems like all they are doing is bringing their problems with them. I've even heard that German police have been issuing warnings in the areas near some camps that women need to dress modestly as not to offend any of their new guests. Centuries of diplomacy, war, turmoil and hard work ruined in a few short years by short termist politicians who could not see the bigger picture beyond their own short sighted rhetoric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 So basically, realising tribalism is a way of life for this lot, they are recommending alienated and separatist ghetto lifestyles from the get go? How nice, at least they are realistic as to these peoples hatred of others and how violence is their answer to others acting in ways they dislike. So much for their gratitude to their saviours from (alleged) hell. You'd think they'd try and behave at least until they are at given citizenship. Just shows their level of social development and how well they are likely to assimilate into a different culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 You have to wonder why we are accepting Albania as an EU member, when German camps are full of Albanian 'refugees'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 All is not well in Germany. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34380438 Now they're discussing putting migrants of different ethnicities / cultures in different camps. So much for coming here to start a new life, seems like all they are doing is bringing their problems with them. I've even heard that German police have been issuing warnings in the areas near some camps that women need to dress modestly as not to offend any of their new guests. Centuries of diplomacy, war, turmoil and hard work ruined in a few short years by short termist politicians who could not see the bigger picture beyond their own short sighted rhetoric. The goal probably is to naturalise these migrants in order to boost up the left vote.......for labour in the UK this would be a ticket back into office - which is all these politicians really care about - to hell with the prosperity and safety of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 It is also having the opposite effect. Far right groups in Germany, who until recently wouldn't have shown their faces in public for fear of lynching, are gaining traction with the populace. Le Penn is all but set to win Frances presidential election, and far right groups in Denmark, Sweden and Finland are making huge gains. What's the saying... 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 So basically, realising tribalism is a way of life for this lot, they are recommending alienated and separatist ghetto lifestyles from the get go? How nice, at least they are realistic as to these peoples hatred of others and how violence is their answer to others acting in ways they dislike. So much for their gratitude to their saviours from (alleged) hell. You'd think they'd try and behave at least until they are at given citizenship. Just shows their level of social development and how well they are likely to assimilate into a different culture. Tens of thousands of people migrating through countries and not much infighting in my opinion. Hungarian border walls and police presence that despite a flare up on both sides was not a major issue (and not infighting at all) the same as this latest (definitely infighting) mass brawl in a camp. 14 injured? what no beheadings? probably a couple of idiots having a male ego clash (they are everywhere in every culture - tell me you don't know a perfectly reasonable guy that has no money, family or security problems that on occasion fancies the odd confrontation or full on scrap) that spins out of control like a pub bar fight. Lots of people together in any one place for an extended time, with restrictions on movement will cause tensions and yes with a variety of cultures, nationalities and religions more so. I'm not saying there aren't undesirables within the camps/migrants but you can point fingers at the miners strike, London riots and Football hooliganism, hell even nearly every city centre on a Friday night etc to say the indigenous population of the UK are naturally violent but that would be assuming the actions of a few represent that of the majority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Found this snippet and posted it in sending in the dogs, but maybe it's better linked here? http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/09/germany-chaos-descends-2590664.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 that is the sort of thing that does indeed sound very bad, I'm surprised that it (market and supermarket etc things) has been reported or youtube'd at least as everyone has a phone and it should indeed cause outrage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Iran seems to be our best bet now to help tame the Syria situation. Our best buddies since the nuclear arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Found this snippet and posted it in sending in the dogs, but maybe it's better linked here? http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2015/09/germany-chaos-descends-2590664.html Reads like bollocks to me. I need someone to find me some credible sources from real people before I'll start believing that story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Reads like bollocks to me. I need someone to find me some credible sources from real people before I'll start believing that story. Agreed, no corroboration when I Google the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Iran seems to be our best bet now to help tame the Syria situation. Our best buddies since the nuclear arrangement. My money would be behind Putin, Cameron and that idiot in the US must be mad not to support Assad. At least the Russians have troops on the ground are fighting IS, and they have manpower, fire power and the necessary ruthless streak aplenty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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