Chris Wilson Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Saw this earlier, and had to laugh. I guess these illegals haven't read their history, not sure I would be clamouring to get on board a train as a forigner in Germany, laid on by the state, not knowing exactly where it was taking me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is this all about then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242354/Saudi-offer-build-200-mosques-Germany-Syrian-migrants-slammed-cynical-Kingdom-not-offered-refugees-themselves.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is this all about then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242354/Saudi-offer-build-200-mosques-Germany-Syrian-migrants-slammed-cynical-Kingdom-not-offered-refugees-themselves.html This migration /exodus is exactly what the Saudis want. They want to flood the world with their fascist wahhabi ideology. Meanwhile: http://thefreethoughtproject.com/saudi-arrested-child-crucified-beheaded-participating-anti-govt-protests/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is this all about then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242354/Saudi-offer-build-200-mosques-Germany-Syrian-migrants-slammed-cynical-Kingdom-not-offered-refugees-themselves.html They already funded some in Yorkshire, `twas in the paper this morning. Hungary have just passed (with little opposition from within Hungary), a law to bring in the military to help sort out the illegals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoaster Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 What is this all about then http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3242354/Saudi-offer-build-200-mosques-Germany-Syrian-migrants-slammed-cynical-Kingdom-not-offered-refugees-themselves.html I'd bet that this outfit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Binladin_Group win the Saudi funded contracts, you couldn't make it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Notice how the Lefties of the club have suddenly shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Was wondering, if the boot was on the other foot and we had to trek to Syria or Iraq due to a disaster here,how warm the welcome would be.We would be demanding food ,water, buses, trains, and a house and a job when we got there.I guess we all know the answer to that:d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 There's quite a difference. To start with, the refugees have to pass through various safe and peaceful countries to reach northern Europe. At which point they become economic and/or social migrants. Secondly, we are the second most generous nation in the world when it comes to aid and disaster relief. Financially, we have contributed more to the Syrians than every other EU county combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Notice how the Lefties of the club have suddenly shut up I think we are letting you righties get on with it and have a good back slapping session, not that I call myself a leftie just perhaps a label I've been given. Even with the Trojan horse theories, the economic migrant issue there are still thousands of genuine refugees out there. It is not to me a black and white issue and most of the righties seem quite rigid in their position ie take no one. It's futile? to argue against so why waste the time. I can accept undesirables/chancers are in the 'swarm' That we shouldn't care about, can you accept there are genuine cases we should? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I think we are letting you righties get on with it and have a good back slapping session, not that I call myself a leftie just perhaps a label I've been given. Even with the Trojan horse theories, the economic migrant issue there are still thousands of genuine refugees out there. It is not to me a black and white issue and most of the righties seem quite rigid in their position ie take no one. It's futile? to argue against so why waste the time. I can accept undesirables/chancers are in the 'swarm' That we shouldn't care about, can you accept there are genuine cases we should? ^^ that. This thread dissolved into hilarious irony a long time ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 ^^ that. This thread dissolved into hilarious irony a long time ago. Are you referring to the irony of most of those in favour of this mass migration, also being against the UN sanctioned mass migration of Jews to Palestine? They were people who had just been murdered in their millions (up to 10 million if you include the millions also killed by Stalin). Those refugees then had to face being murdered by countries including Syria... I would supplant the word irony with hypocrisy in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think we are letting you righties get on with it and have a good back slapping session, not that I call myself a leftie just perhaps a label I've been given. Even with the Trojan horse theories, the economic migrant issue there are still thousands of genuine refugees out there. It is not to me a black and white issue and most of the righties seem quite rigid in their position ie take no one. It's futile? to argue against so why waste the time. I can accept undesirables/chancers are in the 'swarm' That we shouldn't care about, can you accept there are genuine cases we should? Well said. I don't bow down to fear mongering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Are you referring to the irony of most of those in favour of this mass migration, also being against the UN sanctioned mass migration of Jews to Palestine? They were people who had just been murdered in their millions (up to 10 million if you include the millions also killed by Stalin). Those refugees then had to face being murdered by countries including Syria... I would supplant the word irony with hypocrisy in this case. No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 It seems the European leaders are capitulating to this invasion of seemingly mainly economic "gimmiegrants". To accept poverty is a rationale to give homes to people means we all get dragged down to a lower common denominator. I don't believe the vast majority of westerners will find that acceptable. If you accept that moving to more prosperous regions is a legitimate reason to for this illegal migration en masse, then where does it stop? From how the Eurocrats appear to have caved in to this illegal invasion it does not bode well for how they would tackle a humdinger of a war, it looks like they'd fly the white flag from Brussels at the first gun shot. A dire and weak decision, bound to give those thinking of migrating for purely economic reasons without any legal formalities the impetus to join the throngs. This could, and probably will, run and run until Europe is unrecognisable, economically and culturally. If this decision isn't a red rag to the extreme right wing I don't know what is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Today's decision was a farce. They used economic blackmail to coerce countries into complying, and then laughed in the face of national sovereignty by breaking their own rules by holding the vote as a majority and not unanimous one. There can be no doubt now that the EU is currently the biggest threat to this country. Before long there won't be any democracy left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I'd accept genuine refugees but how can you now tell who's who's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 That's why we're taking them straight from the camps. But the latest estimate shows that only 1/5 of this migration across Europe is by Syrian refugees. There will of course be desperate people from other countries escaping famine, islamist groups like boko harm etc. But it is also clear that many of them are simply economic migrants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 23, 2015 Author Share Posted September 23, 2015 I find it interesting to read news from other countries about this migration crisis, here's the take from "The Star", a top South African paper. It tells how Colonel Gadaffi predicted this exodus in 2011, and why none Europeans think we have lost the plot. http://www.pressreader.com/south-africa/the-star-early-edition/20150923/282209419655097/TextView Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I find it interesting to read news from other countries about this migration crisis, here's the take from "The Star", a top South African paper. It tells how Colonel Gadaffi predicted this exodus in 2011, and why none Europeans think we have lost the plot. http://www.pressreader.com/south-africa/the-star-early-edition/20150923/282209419655097/TextView some of us have mentioned in the past that the UK should not meddle with the affairs of foreign nations (and to not support our big brother in these endeavours either) -......else it will come back to haunt us. Obviously the self professed do-gooders at the time couldn't see their backside from the elbow and have done a great job in stirring up the bees nest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 So now we are pledging 100 million to refugees and stopping school dinners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 some of us have mentioned in the past that the UK should not meddle with the affairs of foreign nations (and to not support our big brother in these endeavours either) -......else it will come back to haunt us. Obviously the self professed do-gooders at the time couldn't see their backside from the elbow and have done a great job in stirring up the bees nest. I agree, but look what our non intervention with ISIS has done. Many executed it the worst possible ways, torture, rape and exploitation of women on an industrial scale, and the cultural destruction of Syria. We have basically handed these people a platform, and then washed our hands of it. It's pretty disheartening to live in a world that allows a group like ISIS to form a nation of their own, with no opposition save for a few resistance groups and a some half hearted airstrikes. I think when you get militarily involved in such situations, you have to accept that sometimes it will work out, and other times it will go spectacularly wrong. But I think showing that you won't just sit back and allow people to suffer without a fight is important in itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorin Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 This video mixes "fact" with "opinion" somewhat, but an interesting "in a nutshell" description nonetheless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOnXh3NN9w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted September 24, 2015 Author Share Posted September 24, 2015 There's a Stoke based computer forum called "Overclockers" and the discussion on this subject has become extremely heated. I guess Stoke has a large immigrant population and for the first time this outspoken general chat section of the forum is being heavily moderated as the discussions descend into near anarchy! They are now on about the pilgrimage deaths in Saudi and things have become most unpleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 This video mixes "fact" with "opinion" somewhat, but an interesting "in a nutshell" description nonetheless. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOnXh3NN9w That's a good video, until like you say it starts abandoning facts in favour of propaganda. It fails to acknowledge the fact that some of the European countries, already some of the most densely populated countries on earth, have been experiencing record migration levels over the last decade, and made immigration hugely unpalatable. It repeatedly berates the UK, but fails to mention that we have financially donated more to the Syrians than all other EU countries combined. Propaganda like this would have you think the UK is doing nothing at all, which is deeply unfair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 So now we are pledging 100 million to refugees and stopping school dinners... What surprises me about these situations is that no matter whether it's helping refugees or starting a war money is seemingly conjured out of some big money box after we have been told for years we have to cut back on goverment spending.I suspect this lot may come out of the existing aid budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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