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Well for a start our climate lets us down, apart from bombs we don't really make anything here anymore. Fact that we all get taxed to death reduces our disposal income and to be frank I don't think we could afford to become like the Middle East.

 

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That bit looks ok, I was referring to all the crap bits that the immigrants are running away from, I doubt many are coming from the Palm Island etc

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Nigel Farage is again a welcome voice of reason, despite the BBC doing their best to make him sound like Gengis Khan. Do people *REALLY* believe this swarm of well dressed, clean shaven, nee, immaculate in many cases, mobile phone utilising, chain smoking lot are really genuine refugees??

 

Playing devils advocate, all I would say to that is having money doesn't stop you being displaced and so not all of these people might be poor. If some armed mob was coming for you in Shropshire, I suspect you'd leave with cash, perhaps gold coins if you had them, a phone and charger (anything of high value you could carry and that could keep you linked to people and events and would help you survive going forward) Also if you made it to a save haven and were offered a shower and chance of a shave would you take it or let your standards slip knowing it looks bad on tv?

 

I think Nigel Farage/everyone has legimate concerns and in many ways it's easier to stop anyone coming to ensure no one of dubious motives gets in however small that minority is, but I just wanted to counter your points that you think it's unreasonable to expect these people to be refugees at the same time as having expensive items and looking good.

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That's a fair and valid point about the money. I am more concerned about the overwhelming majority of these migrants/refugees being young men. That is why I'm especially glad we are taking them direct from the camps, because at least you know with almost certainty that they are genuine.

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The inability to fly to Western destinations has created a class of relatively wealthy and educated refugee 'boat people'.

 

This is because of the legislation that makes it the airline's responsibility for the financial costs of reception and accomodation for asylum seekers, if they fly and then claim asylum at the destination.

 

Ironically, it is extremely difficult for Syrian doctors and scientists to flee their country in an organised manner, instead of paying a few hundred dollars for flights, they end up paying many thousands to unscrupulous criminal people traffickers for a highly dangerous sea journey across the Med.

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Has Germany suddenly realised the total and utter folly, not to say danger, in Merkel's wild and unfettered welcome calls to all and sundry? Seems the borders are, despite the open border call, now once again being restricted, as best as possible, as they are overwhelmed by the sheer number of immigrants on their border with Austria. Has the world's condemnation for their attitude to the Jews affected their sanity, and liberalism has now become the new Nazism? Their stance is reckless and undermines the security, demographics and peace of Europe as a whole. The whole situation is total madness, driven by a photo of a dead child, that, far from being dispassionately shown as a death caused by someone irresponsibly "fleeing" a safe haven where he worked for three years, on the cheap, with his children, in a rubber boat, for purely economic reasons, it probably catalysed the Liberals into the worst decisions of the last few hundred years. Will that faux photo go down in history as the major influence in politicians abandoning reason and opening the floodgates to a never ending stream of migration from the poorest lands to the richest, against all reasonable expectations of integration, housing availability, schooling and welfare? The genie seems well and truly out of the bottle and the stopper lost under a sea of do gooding rhetoric.

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I saw an article on that yesterday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

 

Wasn't it only last week they were saying they could cope with 500,000 per year? :D They, and we, truly have no idea just how foolish that statement was. IT will be echoing around the world, and anyone from the Middle East, Africa and Asia who want a better life will be looking to Germany now. It is possibly the most reckless thing I have ever seen a politician do.

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I saw an article on that yesterday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

 

Wasn't it only last week they were saying they could cope with 500,000 per year? :D They, and we, truly have no idea just how foolish that statement was. IT will be echoing around the world, and anyone from the Middle East, Africa and Asia who want a better life will be looking to Germany now. It is possibly the most reckless thing I have ever seen a politician do.

 

the right intention executed in the most Callous of ways........potentially putting all of Europe in danger (freedom of movement).

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I have since read elsewhere that the Saudi's have in fact taken over 2m refugees from Syria. But only from minor sources, nothing from mainstream left or right wing media. Can anyone with better knowledge confirm this?

 

But it's no great secret that Saudi have been funding terrorism and sponsoring the construction of foreign Mosques. Obviously to further the cause of Wahhabism.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html

 

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/saudi-offers-build-200-mosques-in-germany-for-syrian-refugees-605755.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/too-late-the-sponsors-of-ideology-find-they-have-made-a-monster-9687723.html

 

http://islamineurope.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/norway-no-saudi-mosques-as-long-as.html

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But it's no great secret that Saudi have been funding terrorism and sponsoring the construction of foreign Mosques. Obviously to further the cause of Wahhabism.

 

and yet we say nothing......

 

mind you, Saudi do NOT manufacture weapons. Most of the weapons ISIS are using were provided by the usual suspects - US, UK, etc - either via Saudi or through the abandoned arsenal in Iraq

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Actually, the blame for the manufacture of most of those weapons lies squarely with a single culprit - Russia. These aren't Western weapons being used, both side are using Soviet era weapons from assault rifles to tanks and artillery. It has even been claimed that WW2 Nazi STG44 rifles have been found in use by Isis. While some will have found their way to the area via the CIA, many more will have found their way out of the porous borders of the USSR.

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Hungary have passed laws making it illegal for migrants to attempt to breach their razor wire fence along the whole of her Serbian border. I would imagine they won't be afraid to militarise this fence. Needless to say the Liberals in Brussels are against it. Their social experiment is falling apart in front of them, hopefully other countries will see the light and keep migration strictly under control.

 

 

Little seems to be on the news about the new Calais, the port of Dunkirk in France, where the authorities say the migrants trying to get to the UK are at fever pitch and riots and civil unrest are imminent as the numbers grow exponentially.

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/calais-crisis-french-police-sent-break-british-migrant-trafficking-gang-dunkirk-1514949

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The truth, which I hope many were intelligent enough to realise ages ago, is coming out. The percentage of those attempting to infiltrate Europe who are genuine Syrian refugees is a lot less than the media would have had you believe. Now so many are "safe" in Germany true Syrians are outing those that pretend to be. A huge number are con artists, migrating for economic reasons, if not worse. Schengen is effectively history, and the divide between European nations is widening by the day. The do gooders are now publicly stating that Serbia is not a safe country, and they must not be expected to claim asylum there. Why? Basically it's not nice enough to suit those wandering young men... Facilities are not good enough, and they are not wealthy enough. How long before the Union falls apart? Hopefully not too long!

 

My fencing needs some maintenance, anyone know any Hungarians? ;) They knocked that lot up in record time, and are starting on the run along the Romanian border now.

 

 

As a total aside, will Corbyn please ask where Cameron gets his suits, and get someone familiar with ties to show him how to do his up properly. He looked like a wino up before the beak in a charity shop suit, at Prime Minister's question time..

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Not straight away, but eventually, yes. Although I don't agree with the way Germany has handled this crisis at all, it is important that there is full equality between German citizens and their new immigrants. It would be truly awful if tiered citizenship were to start appearing again.

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