Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 The title is accredited to Thomas Jefferson. As poor beleaguered Hungary rushes to try and erect a proper fence of vast proportions to keep out illegal migrants, at the same time as the Liberal left in Germany sacrifice the lifestyle of that great countries indigenous population to their misguided ideals and the population quakes under the threat of unknown changes to their way of life. Is this the end of the European concept of free movement, and the Schengen Area? A fence less garden, or a border less country is fine when no one undesirables wish to enter. The views and feeling of openness and freedom are great. But when swathes of migrants with no papers, dubious stories and even more dubious intent invade, suddenly the border less concept isn't so appealing. A Hungarian government spokesman was almost goaded into saying their proposal to bring their military to the Macedonian border was immoral, wrong and possibly illegal on the Channel 4 news last night. He stood his ground and stated the Hungarian government's first responsibility was to protecting its borders and citizens, and well down their order of concern were illegal immigrants. I was impressed, it will be interesting to see how great southern European countries resolve is to turning the tide of migrants away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 330,000 net migration... of people we know about. If we're to help with refugees (and the obligation is there), Cameron needs to grow a pair and renegotiate terms to cap immigration. Sure, he'll be laughed at by Brussels and told to go home which should lead to a referendum to stay or leave the EU. Something needs to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share Posted August 28, 2015 15 years ago the then Commissionaire for the Metropolitan police stated that he reckoned London was home to at least 300,000 immigrants that had no papers and did not, officially, exist. God knows what that figure is now, but what I do know is in 15 years it's a LOT higher, and it is increasing exponentially. To illustrate the state of our so called border control, how about the IS wannabe who, having made death threats and made plans to assassinate an ex British Prime Minister, was, crazily, given police bail. Whilst on bail, and presumably under some sort of watch, he managed to leave the country for Syria, where, alongside some of the most wanted members of IS was killed by a US drone. Those with confidence in the system might say we let him go, knowing his fate. I think their confidence is far greater than mine in the government and border control Now bail is something you might expect for a small offence, a minor robbery or suchlike. Not for being a terrorist sympathiser with aspirations to bump off an ex Prime Minister. For him to then waltz through passport control en route to a known hot bed of western hating jihadists beggars belief. How did that happen then? I haven't heard the question asked... The converse is obviously true, people are waltzing into here, totally unchecked. Time to chip the whole population, if you haven't a chip, big trouble awaits. ID cards are too easily forged. You can say you have lost it, blah blah. It's a lot harder to say you have lost a chip implanted in your right buttock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cered Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Immigrants are perfectly fine... So long as they follow the appropriate channels. Illegal immigrants need to stop, if they're seeking asylum... follow the appropriate channels. Stricter employment laws like the US or Canada will help too - Giving work visas to people we need, like engineers, doctors, nurses and so on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Tighten up the benefits system - impose a nominal fee to access the NHS (even a tenner) and watch most of these illegals find "refuge" elsewhere. The genuine asylum seekers in need would seek shelter in the first safe country they port - unlikely to be the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 330,000 and rising net immigration is far from fine, IMO. The country is going down the pan as it struggles to deal with the massage influx of people. Stagnant wages, lack of council homes, and the public services strained. England has lost its identity and our culture seems to stand for nothing apart from: put others first or you're a bigot. Southampton has slowly changed into one of your generic shite hole cities on the outskirts of London. I'll be honest, its odd living in an area where I can walk the dog up the park, hit the gym afterwards, then stop at the shops on the way home and not hear a word of spoken English. I remember the area where I live now 11 years ago and it was very different. I'm all for helping asylum seekers. We have created a crisis in the middle east and its our responsibility to help, but we have to reduce the amount of people entering the country from the EU. All of the above aside, I'm seriously pondering on emigrating to Canada and getting out of here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 All of the above aside, I'm seriously pondering on emigrating to Canada and getting out of here. If they'll let you in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Supes Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I have looked into it already and my point score was sufficient. Logan (my dog) doesn't even have to be quarantined either which is a bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I welcome all immigrants who come here, contribute to society and fill shortages of needed skilled people. Our NHS would be in a mess without it. But I can't stand the current, unregulated mess. There is no shortage of unskilled labour in the UK, and a continent of unskilled labour that can be exploited is contributing to the huge number of people who are out of work. It is suppressing wages, and is giving companies a 'get out of jail free' card in regards to training people. How are we supposed to plan for improvements to the national infrastructure (roads, schools, housing etc) when we don't even know how many people will come here every year? And the worst of it? when Camoron goes to Berlin and suggests to Frau Merkel restricting the free movement of people within the EU, he is told that is impossible, and will not even be considered. But when Merkel and Hollande want it, it is no problem... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34016448 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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j_jza80 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 They had Syrian travel documents, as do many of those currently at the Macedonian border (including Afghanistani and Iraqi). They are not illegal migrants coming to steal Daves job as a cash in hand brickie down the new housing estate. These are REFUGEES fleeing war & persecution. There is a difference. Yup Just like when the BBC were referring to everyone in Calais as refugees. A practice which they have thankfully stopped. The only thing is, if they were genuine refugees, why did they not claim Asylum in Greece or Turkey? At what point does someone cease being a refugee and become an economic/social migrant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I am off to Syria or Iraq, see how they like it...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 I am off to Syria or Iraq, see how they like it...!! Send me a postcard. Preferably not laced with ricin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted August 28, 2015 Share Posted August 28, 2015 Send me a postcard. Preferably not laced with ricin Will do. I am thinking of starting a fish and chip shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Will do. I am thinking of starting a fish and chip shop. I'm going to open a pie & mash shop on the next corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 15 years ago the then Commissionaire for the Metropolitan police stated that he reckoned London was home to at least 300,000 immigrants that had no papers and did not, officially, exist. God knows what that figure is now, but what I do know is in 15 years it's a LOT higher, and it is increasing exponentially. To illustrate the state of our so called border control, how about the IS wannabe who, having made death threats and made plans to assassinate an ex British Prime Minister, was, crazily, given police bail. Whilst on bail, and presumably under some sort of watch, he managed to leave the country for Syria, where, alongside some of the most wanted members of IS was killed by a US drone. Those with confidence in the system might say we let him go, knowing his fate. I think their confidence is far greater than mine in the government and border control Now bail is something you might expect for a small offence, a minor robbery or suchlike. Not for being a terrorist sympathiser with aspirations to bump off an ex Prime Minister. For him to then waltz through passport control en route to a known hot bed of western hating jihadists beggars belief. How did that happen then? I haven't heard the question asked... The converse is obviously true, people are waltzing into here, totally unchecked. Time to chip the whole population, if you haven't a chip, big trouble awaits. ID cards are too easily forged. You can say you have lost it, blah blah. It's a lot harder to say you have lost a chip implanted in your right buttock It's to track where he goes & who he contacts. If he was smart enough (which he clearly isn't joining the IS), then he would go off the grid. Chips are easy to botch too. Better start start building a moat Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's a difficult situation indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's not at all, Russia and China are not suffering these problems, it's entirely of our own making, just make it so the UK is right off the desirable list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Time to bite the bullet & rescue them at sea & land them striaight back where they came from. The message will soon sink in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wez Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 See how long Cameron holds his ground, as a result Germany have welcomed a temp border between Italy and Austria. The influx is also causing an increase in far right support across various member countries. Every Labour figure seems to be welcoming more with open arms, are they trying to rally support for the next election or something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Every Labour figure seems to be welcoming more with open arms, are they trying to rally support for the next election or something Well that's how they have rallied support during the Blair years......buying votes with the assurance that all expenditure is on the house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 See how long Cameron holds his ground, as a result Germany have welcomed a temp border between Italy and Austria. The influx is also causing an increase in far right support across various member countries. Every Labour figure seems to be welcoming more with open arms, are they trying to rally support for the next election or something Migrant crisis, rise of extreme political parties, anti democratic EU, high unemployment, Putin (Russia), economic nightmares, reckless capitalism. It seems as if Europe is on the brink of something truly awful. Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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