pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Hi, I have touched on the subject of having a push start button installed into my supe along with a switch for the ign and radio live However as I am currently near the end of my battery and fusebox relocation / wire tuck I have looked into how this can be achieved and need some pointers on which direction to go 1) I can look into doing it my self ie. Remove the ignition barrel and steering lock Place push button where barrel was originally located and have 2 switches 1 for radio and 1 for ignition 2) see this link http://www.advancedkeys.com/Prod_AK105B.html Again I would like to remove the ignition barrel (more of an OEM look) My main question with this method is would it work with an alarm that will have remote start and a turbo timer and if so do I need both key fobs / transmitters, I want to avoid this I do like the idea of being able to walk up to the car open the door and start the car without having to push a button on the transmitter (Just a start button) I know that an insurance company might not be happy if I remove the steering lock so after some pointers I will call them and see what they say, surely the advanced keys is basically a replacement of this as you would need the transmitter within a certain range for the car to work (I believe, could be wrong though) And if I need the steering lock is there a way to keep it working with out the key/ignition barrel I know I am way over my head here with this but it seems like the best time to do it and I have already arranged for an electrician to come to the house and do this for me if needed, he's my brother so there will be no charge for this doing but he's advised me to make up my mind which route I would like to go down before he looks into it Thanks Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 PS the alarm has not been fitted yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 A solenoid would be an option for the steering lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk4Gaz Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I fitted one of these to my mr2 turbo, and completely removed the ignition lock. I was going to try and use a solenoid motor, and create an electronic lock, but couldn't figure out a way to mount it all properly. Here's a pic of the push button mounted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Sweet so its possible to remove the ignition barrel and keep the steering lock intact but which method would you use a do-it-yourself push button and 2 rocker switches or 1 if I use a relay and a Clifford alarm system Or buy the advanced keys system and have a keyless entry with a Clifford alarm (would it conflict with a turbo timer?) And would the remote start with the advanced keys system conflict with the alarm? I'm assuming that Clifford don't do a keyless entry system(haven't seen 1 yet). I.e. walk up to the car and just get in and push start the engine without using a key fob Gaz, how did you wire up the push button and is it a momentary button or one of the ones like in the link in the first post Sorry for all of the questions. Big plans for the supe while its off the road I want to get everything done that I can get done before I decide its time to put it back on its been about 2 1/2 months since I have driven it and I'm starting to get withdrawal symptoms lol Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Anything is possible if you have the money. My ideal world scenario would be to have a keyless entry system with push start and clutch switch check. You walk up to the car, the alarm turns off with the usual light signal and the doors open. You get into the car, put your foot on the clutch and press the "Start" button, the barrel lock disengages, checks that the clutch is pressed and fires the engine. In order to do this you would need an alarm specialist (big style) as the approach sensor would need to be tied into the alarm. If it was, that takes care of the alarm, the immobiliser and the locks. From there, you would need an electronics specialist to attach a solenoid for the steering lock and also wire it into the start button along with a clutch switch. The removal of the barrel etc would be taken care of with the original spec of the keyless start kit. Sounds like fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Bullitt Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 The Clifford Concept 650 MKII has the optional extra of a Turbo Timer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Anything is possible if you have the money. My ideal world scenario would be to have a keyless entry system with push start and clutch switch check. You walk up to the car, the alarm turns off with the usual light signal and the doors open. You get into the car, put your foot on the clutch and press the "Start" button, the barrel lock disengages, checks that the clutch is pressed and fires the engine. In order to do this you would need an alarm specialist (big style) as the approach sensor would need to be tied into the alarm. If it was, that takes care of the alarm, the immobiliser and the locks. From there, you would need an electronics specialist to attach a solenoid for the steering lock and also wire it into the start button along with a clutch switch. The removal of the barrel etc would be taken care of with the original spec of the keyless start kit. Sounds like fun So I had another look at the advanced keys system based on what you said The clutch switch check you suggested auto doors unlocking and push start button is all included with it with the exception of the clutch they use the foot brake the immobiliser is the transmitter key just like the keyfob of a normally alarm system. And it includes remote start. So far this seems the most optimal way forward In terms of security it seems to be basic central locking with a built in immobiliser [http://www]^Anti-Theft and Starter Disable Function^ In additional to the smart keyless entry function, this is also an alarm system that monitors door switches, brake and ignition. Vehicle ignition can be operated only when a valid access key is identified. When an unauthorized entry and/or vehicle activation attempt is detected, the ignition relay will be disabled; prevent engine from starting.^ I would have to buy a separate turbo timer if it would work with the central locking and immobiliser features of this system I suppose the only down side to this system is that there are no options you get with alarms like Clifford, including but not limited to Siren Tilt and widow brake GPS Turbo timer Etc Tbh I suppose it would be possible to add a siren to the mix using a few relays not sure though haven't put too much thought into it I dunno, I think what I am looking for is an answer to whether its a good idea to use the advanced keys system as at the minute I have a key and that's it (not much security) Or should I go all out on a alarm system currently priced at about £350 inc fitting Don't want to go too far to the expense of spending too much money as I currently need quite a lot of parts to have the car up and running I think what I'm actually asking is, is it adequate security for a car even though it doesn't have a siren, glass brake, tilt etc. Even though its a massive improvement on what I currently have I feel like I'm blabbing on here, delaying the inevitable lol Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It would be possible to hybrid the 2 systems together. You would need someone who knows the systems inside out though as it would require a LOT of cutting and splicing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 Just spit balling really but would it be possible to program the alarm to receive the same rdif code as the advanced key system and if so I'm guessing that would cost a lot more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 It might save cutting and splicing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 It depends on the Aux availability and programmability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.osborne69 Posted August 25, 2015 Author Share Posted August 25, 2015 I think I'll make a few enquiries in the morning and see what both company's have to say as well as a few auto electricians that specialise in the areas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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