herbiemercman Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Hi Dudes, I will not be changing my mind on my imminent NA?T conversion but i was just curious what you lot think about the post conversion car value.? My opinion is that if i was looking for a car with the NA?T conversion, the most important thing would be getting to know the owner and see what the car's history is, for example, if i decided to sell my car and start wearing a Val Doonican sweater and smoking a pipe, and put my 42,000 mile from new car up for sale, 5 speed manual, and , mint, then i would expect to get the rarety value and browny points for the NA/T. So IMHO it would enhance the value, it certainly would not reduce it.? If any of you cannot remember who Val Doonican was, it shows your youth, he was an Irish folk singer who wore big knitted sweaters and big slippers, smoked a pipe and sent you to sleep when he sang, had a good voice for people in nursing homes, etc. What do you think, about the car value, NOT Val Doonican. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) It will always be worth that bit more than an n/a Some people want a turbo supra but cant afford it, to them it will be perfect, from what ive seen on here na-t's seem to sell quite well Thats why so many people on here buy an n/a (price, insurance etc) and then a few months later, they want to turbo it (been there done that ) I know if there was an na-t available when i bought my old n/a i would have chose that over the n/a any day of the week But it does depend how basic or high end the spec is, theres only a small price difference these days between an expensive n/a and a cheap TT so thats something potential buyers will weigh up i assume Edited August 15, 2015 by berg (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeiretto Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 It adds value if the build was done to a high standard (like pjavon's car that sold recently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 It adds value if the build was done to a high standard (like pjavon's car that sold recently). Which in my opinion was for sale cheap, ive seen plenty of n/a's pop up here for around that money recently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think by doing an NA-T conversion you greatly limit the resale of the car, if I was looking for a Supra I'd want either an NA, a TT or a single turbo 2JZGTE, depending on my budget. Personally I would never consider buying an NA-T whatever the price and how good the conversion, for the money i'd buy either an NA or TT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think by doing an NA-T conversion you greatly limit the resale of the car, if I was looking for a Supra I'd want either an NA, a TT or a single turbo 2JZGTE, depending on my budget. Personally I would never consider buying an NA-T whatever the price and how good the conversion, for the money i'd buy either an NA or TT. I think that's personal opinion Nic and I tend to disagree there mate. The NA-T conversion has become hugely popular in the last 12 months or so, with more and more people undertaking conversions and kits now available from the likes of Whifbitz. With the cost of Supra's in general rising rapidly, people who want a turbo supra can no longer necessarily afford a TT and so this offers a great alternative. Can I ask why you would never consider one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 An na-t is a happy medium between the na and tt but by the time you do the conversion you could put a tt lump in it for the same money and have more power at bpu. Na-t roughly 360hp but that's the limit at least with the tt engine it can be taken a lot further. If it's turbo you want imo it's better just to put the 2JZGTE in it. Value would increase slightly on the car I'd say if it's done right. Like everything else if it's built right and kept well it will add value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) An na-t is a happy medium between the na and tt but by the time you do the conversion you could put a tt lump in it for the same money and have more power at bpu. Na-t roughly 360hp but that's the limit at least with the tt engine it can be taken a lot further. If it's turbo you want imo it's better just to put the 2JZGTE in it. Value would increase slightly on the car I'd say if it's done right. Like everything else if it's built right and kept well it will add value. That's not necessarily true either dude. There are plenty of examples of NA-T's running 450bhp+, Rob_SRI, Rich.2211 and my own as three examples. Completely agree on the cost front though mate. I could have brought numerous TT lumps for what my conversion has cost me, but the power delivery and whole experience of NA-T is something special. Because compression is generally higher than a stock TT, you don't need a lot of boost to make good power, which is available early on in the rev range. If you look into the NA-T stuff in the states where it is more popular still, they're making crazy power. In fact, TkDav3's car is 600hp+ and is in fact originally an NA-T. Don't forget the bottom end of the GE and GTE are the same, bar oil squirters and Pistons. All the important bits, crank, rods, bearings are identical. Please don't think this is aimed at you as I know from previous conversations it's not Tony, but people have a very negative attitude toward NA-T when in reality, 9/10 the people have never experienced one. Edited August 16, 2015 by Josh42 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkddav3 Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Don't know why people diss na-t's for? Mine has more power than a fair few tt singles and probably better built too. Don't know what it is with supra people. Anything other than the norm and it "shouldn't be done" all we seem to Be "allowed" to do it slap a turbo on a tt, it "has" to have a syvecs or it's crap and it "can't" have an bits of body kit regardless of make... Hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Just curious but going na/t what's the difference from a TT going single? As everyone says it costs 5k+ to go single on a TT so why is it cheap to go single on a NA Edited August 16, 2015 by Hitbox Junkie (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) N/A-T can be an economical route if you can swing a spanner, but if you're spannerlexic, the cost of labour for a Garage to do it can add up to more than a T.T. conversion. Edited August 16, 2015 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_b Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I think an NA-T will generally sell for a bit more money than an NA, assuming the seller can provide things like receipts, documentation or research about the conversion, to allay some fears about conversions done on the cheap or by people who didn't know what they were doing. I suppose the mapping aspect is particularly important. A conversion won't be a good investment if NAs ever become collectable, and then originality is king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbiemercman Posted August 16, 2015 Author Share Posted August 16, 2015 Very positive answers in the main, from my contact with "the doctor" i am very confident and looking forward to the conversion, also never been to cardiff before and not been on a train to preston for many years. I have also never left my "baby" with anyone for two weeks after nineteen years of owning her. I hope she enjoys the major operation, bit like a stunning girlfriend getting new boobs, similar cost. Just a different test drive. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 N/A-T can be an economical route if you can swing a spanner, but if you're spannerlexic, the cost of labour for a Garage to do it can add up to more than a T.T. conversion. Spannerlexic lol, i like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterfett Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 clothes wise. car salesmen wear suits, doesn't mean you should trust them! .. either way yes N/A T at the moment will add value. In ten years i suspect not when standard N/A and TT are few and far between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Common as muck the lot of em, there's only one supercharged Supra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterfett Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Common as muck the lot of em, there's only one supercharged Supra. might be a reason for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony tt Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 That's not necessarily true either dude. There are plenty of examples of NA-T's running 450bhp+, Rob_SRI, Rich.2211 and my own as three examples. Completely agree on the cost front though mate. I could have brought numerous TT lumps for what my conversion has cost me, but the power delivery and whole experience of NA-T is something special. Because compression is generally higher than a stock TT, you don't need a lot of boost to make good power, which is available early on in the rev range. If you look into the NA-T stuff in the states where it is more popular still, they're making crazy power. In fact, TkDav3's car is 600hp+ and is in fact originally an NA-T. Don't forget the bottom end of the GE and GTE are the same, bar oil squirters and Pistons. All the important bits, crank, rods, bearings are identical. Please don't think this is aimed at you as I know from previous conversations it's not Tony, but people have a very negative attitude toward NA-T when in reality, 9/10 the people have never experienced one. It's a valid point mate to be fair I'm a little inexperienced when it comes to na-t set ups it's something I've never took the time to look into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have one in my position at 24 psi with 9.2-1 and it ballistic. So much so its being wound back to a more sane 18psi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 na-t are awesome, i loved mine, great power delivery low down, great sound etc Part of me does prefer my TT though, i like the smoother power delivery of the bpu setup compared to what i had before and its just as quick, probably the reason ill never go single turbo on this one My na-t was like a screaming kid, scaring pedestrians as it went by lol Bpu just gets the job done in a casual, more civilised manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewaysdan Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 I have one in my position at 24 psi with 9.2-1 and it ballistic. So much so its being wound back to a more sane 18psi What's the setup on that Craig ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) Same as yours with 680cc injectors and an r 154. And map to suit I tell a lie. Thus one has our new 1.4mm h/g . yours is 1.3mm oem Edited August 16, 2015 by dr_jekyll (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkerstrider Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 If resale value is that much different, you can always remove the kit and sell it as an na. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidewaysdan Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Same as yours with 680cc injectors and an r 154. And map to suit I tell a lie. Thus one has our new 1.4mm h/g . yours is 1.3mm oem Oh right. Was thinking of putting mine on the dyno soon and maybe a little tweak on the map to raise the boost a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 Should do 20 psi but deffo get a map Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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