j_jza80 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Libya would be a good start. Thankfully the Egyptian army is taking care of things there, although they desperately need to retake the Sinai. We should also, however awful it may be, stop fighting Assad and help him destroy the foreign fighters in Syria. Then broker a peace deal that involves Assad. As we learned in Iraq and Libya, sometimes these awful dictators are the lesser evil. There are also the sub Saharan African nations, and Somalia is pretty much lawless now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Send our troops where? Think we've already tried that... plus also difficult when our allies (America) are directly supporting Israel who are attacking Syria? at least that's my understanding from a few minutes on the internet? (more than happy to be corrected) When there is war/conflict there are thousands of innocent people caught up in it, most probably as soft as me and just want to live in peace not pieces...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Libya would be a good start. Thankfully the Egyptian army is taking care of things there, although they desperately need to retake the Sinai. We should also, however awful it may be, stop fighting Assad and help him destroy the foreign fighters in Syria. Then broker a peace deal that involves Assad. As we learned in Iraq and Libya, sometimes these awful dictators are the lesser evil. There are also the sub Saharan African nations, and Somalia is pretty much lawless now. That will never, ever happen. You, nor I, nor any current world leaders can sit and say exactly who and what we should be fighting for and against in Syria. That is where the majority of migrants are coming from to escape a complete and utter mess of a conflict, so the 1% chancer comment from Chris earlier on can be stuck up the appropriate orifice. The second highest are Afghans, and look what has become of that region since we went in, and you want to go back? Lastly you're looking at Eritrea, Nigeria and Somalia. So is the proposal that we invade (because that's what it would be) Africa? The distinct lack of outrage at the protests in Germany having heavy Nazi overtones (salutes, heil Hitler chants etc) is an absolute disgrace. "Ooooh why can't these dirty subhuman beings stay away from me and my tidy little 2 up 2 down. I've just got my cupboard tidied up and the roses are growing in the garden again". Meanwhile a 4 year old child has her picture taken on the Macedonian border and raises her hands to surrender because she thinks it's a gun. And yet we blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 That will never, ever happen. You, nor I, nor any current world leaders can sit and say exactly who and what we should be fighting for and against in Syria. That is where the majority of migrants are coming from to escape a complete and utter mess of a conflict, so the 1% chancer comment from Chris earlier on can be stuck up the appropriate orifice. The second highest are Afghans, and look what has become of that region since we went in, and you want to go back? Lastly you're looking at Eritrea, Nigeria and Somalia. So is the proposal that we invade (because that's what it would be) Africa? The distinct lack of outrage at the protests in Germany having heavy Nazi overtones (salutes, heil Hitler chants etc) is an absolute disgrace. "Ooooh why can't these dirty subhuman beings stay away from me and my tidy little 2 up 2 down. I've just got my cupboard tidied up and the roses are growing in the garden again". Meanwhile a 4 year old child has her picture taken on the Macedonian border and raises her hands to surrender because she thinks it's a gun. And yet we blame them. I refer you to post #69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 My proposal would be anything to enable these people to live in their own countries. If that means armed intervention by countries that have the capability, then so be it. The problems with these countries isn't that fact that we intervened, it was the power vacuum left when we left. Rehabilitating countries with such internal strife is not something that can be done in a year, or even a decade. It requires long, ongoing support, and a hell of a lot of education. If any blame is to be apportioned, it should be to those countries who neighbour these warzones, sit on much of the worlds oil wealth, and either do nothing or clandestinely encourage war. I would be interested to hear your long term, sustainable solution to this crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 Personally I would dig Gaddafi and Saddam up, give them the kiss of life, dust `em down, apologise profusely, and put them back in power. They did a good job. As I have said many times, tribal regions need dictators. Won't be long before the UK does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Personally I would dig Gaddafi and Saddam up, give them the kiss of life, dust `em down, apologise profusely, and put them back in power. They did a good job. As I have said many times, tribal regions need dictators. Won't be long before the UK does... hindsight is a wonderful thing....unfortunately we have way too many people who get hoodwinked in believing some "rightful" crusade in spreading our way of living to the rest of the world - and to that effect big business inc military ready to use this to further their cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 And that is exactly what they are, they cease being refugees once they pass through a perfectly safe country without claiming asylum. Good point - why don't they stop in Turkey, or go to super rich countries like Saudi, UAE or any of the Gulf states? After all their culture / religion is far more compatible with those set of countries that the "corrupt west" plus who knows who these people are - could be criminals or even worse IS...... the UK is weak - been exploited by the lazy louts benefit cheat brits for decades and now its ripe for the rest of the world too...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 To be fair to them, after seeing some of the truly horrific conditions foreign workers/slaves are made to endure in Qatar, I don't blame them for wanting to go elsewhere! Some estimate that at current rates, the total death toll will approach 4000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Very true - and that is where we should be exerting some pressure - on those muppet states For the reasons mentioned these people should NOT be coming to Western Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formatzero Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 We could always insist all males coming into the country join the armed forces and train them to fight,then send them overseas to the next country were going to invade,sorry i mean help ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Still looks far better than Luton or Bradford. IS arrested in Madrid - can't afford to let these chancers in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT Paul Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 Well after reading varied views on here. Some good points but it won't be resolved soon. But if they continue to arrive they bring more problems . And the places they go to only get dragged into it so the problem is growing. Send them back. Chris would get my vote, not doo gooders and fairies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 doo gooders aside they could be criminals - look at the issues we are seeing due to open borders with Europe. most of the east + south european countries have no systems for us to check criminal records against efficiently and effectively - this is a potentially risky issue for all of us. As said earlier - genuine asylum seekers would seek asylum in the 1st safe country they land on - that is most certainly not the UK, most likely not even Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adnanshah247 Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 I read this morning that Mr.Cameron, our very very wet leader, is seeing the answer to the Calais immigrant crisis as being sending in the dogs. For an instant I had visions of Doberman Pinschers, German Shepherd dogs and Rottweilers being unleashed and the swarm driven back towards the Mediterranean and beyond. And yes, Cameron's much commented on choice of word suits the situation accurately and admirably, in my opinion, a swarm it is, that needs breaking up and dispersing far and wide. But short lived it was, he's sending some rolls of chain link fencing and some cute Spaniel sniffer dogs... Of course parliament is in recess, so this blight on our economy, reputation (such as it is), and transport system is going to remain until the Autumn and beyond. Pathetic!!! agreed, pathetic is the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveC Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If you're not happy about more immigrants coming into the UK, you can sign a petition here. On the other hand, if you're happy for more immigrants to be allowed into the UK, you can sign a petition here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Edit: Moved my post to a country without borders thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 We could always insist all males coming into the country join the armed forces and train them to fight,then send them overseas to the next country were going to invade,sorry i mean help ! You do know how we did this already with the Taliban to get them to fight the Russians right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 If you're not happy about more immigrants coming into the UK, you can sign a petition here. Oh yeah, that's a well formed and balanced argument that'll be taken seriously right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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