T2 MSW Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Just reading through the below http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33622298 I really don't understand why aircraft/car/bus manufactures keep falling for the same thing. Why develop a system for internet connected radio/entertainment systems (what ever it is) thats interlinked or even connected to critical systems. Physical security is the best method of preventing all this, fine let the entertainment system connect to the outside world and do what it wants but if you want to get data from the car you have to physically connect to the car with digitally encrypted security. Same for planes, why have a passenger entertainment system/wifi thats connected to anything in the cockpit - its just stupidity. Discuss?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Demand vs cost. People want connected cars, but don't want to pay for truly resilient solutions. It's worth noting that this hacking thing isn't quite as simple as the articles are making out. It's pretty much impossible unless under very specific circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Demand vs cost. People want connected cars, but don't want to pay for truly resilient solutions. Factor in the time taken for a truly resilient solution and the "next-next gen" will be on its way. If manufacturer A takes it's time and develops a super-resilient solution, they might be 3 years to late to the party and will have lost market share before they've even started. I believe the market future is a distributed solution with a standardised mobile protocol. All car manufacturers will effectively pre-wire/programme their entertainment solutions to work with standardised mobile protocol between iOs, Android, Windows Phone, etc. So, your phone phone/tablet will drive the content of your cars entertainment, navigation, etc. The car will just do the OBD stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Ever read Kevin Mitnicks book Ghost in the Wires? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ghost-Wires-Adventures-Worlds-Wanted-ebook/dp/B00FOQS8D6/ref=la_B001IO9WEW_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1437580681&sr=1-1 Brilliant read, you'd love it Mike. Anyway - the point he proved years ago is that the media, law enforcement and governments will hugely over dramatise anything they don't understand and make wild presumptions based on the slightest of fact. I'm sure it *is* technically possible to intercept some canbus signals or something via the media system, but the chance of it actually being practical to do so is highly unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 Oh I agree it would be extremely difficult but why have it in the first place. Where is the need for the function of a car (driving part) to be connected to anything other than a laptop in the event of a failure? Entertainment system fair enough (internet radio, copying music etc) but make the entertainment system and the car separate so you can't cross over. It doesn't need a truly resistant system just physically separate ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It doesn't need a truly resistant system just physically separate ones. One car costs £500 more than the other and has more reliability issues and poorer fuel economy as it's got twice as much wiring. Which car would you buy? You make a salient point but human nature is to go for the cheaper "better" one because the problem you are tackling is ephemeral to most people. And also, yeah, it's a world of difference between a theoretical hack and someone actually doing it. You don't just pull out a black box and hook on two crocodile clips to a random wire like on telly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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