j_jza80 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 It's a shame that it always has to come down to us. Qatar, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc all have formidable armed forces, but they just stand by and let the slaughter continue. We are already at war, it's about time we started acting like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Agree. Been saying that for months. Nothing will change aside from maybe a few more airstrikes. Our leaders are too arrogant to stand up and admit they made a bad judgment call on Assad. Technically wrong. Our government wanted to go in a few years back and sort it out. The general public cried. Everyone was warned about this, we had plans in place, the public cried, social media went nuts. Well tough shit, this is the outcome. I've been saying it for years, let the governments run the country and run the wars, let the stupid arse f**king sheep pay their bills. This could of been sorted after it started! As terrible as all these atrocities are, I do no not want any soldier to go across and fight. People had their chance and they messed it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Technically wrong. Our government wanted to go in a few years back and sort it out. The general public cried. Everyone was warned about this, we had plans in place, the public cried, social media went nuts. Well tough shit, this is the outcome. I've been saying it for years, let the governments run the country and run the wars, let the stupid arse f**king sheep pay their bills. This could of been sorted after it started! As terrible as all these atrocities are, I do no not want any soldier to go across and fight. People had their chance and they messed it up. That's not what I said. They were too arrogant to stand up and admit they made an error of judgement, whether they wanted to go in or not. If they had made that admission, AND wanted/want to go in, they would have got a hell of a lot more support from the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsia Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Holy crap I logged on to to the forum, saw the "Was it you?" subforum lit up, my eyes moved to the right and I saw "Terrorist attacks in Tunisia and France" and though "Nope. Wasn't me." then realised I was looking at the wrong subforum. Oops! Sad news though, this has been going on far too long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 That's not what I said. They were too arrogant to stand up and admit they made an error of judgement, whether they wanted to go in or not. If they had made that admission, AND wanted/want to go in, they would have got a hell of a lot more support from the public. Actually we wanted to go in before the Assad saga. It was the public that cried out and said we shouldn't be getting involved in other countries problems. Parliament had to have an emergency session. All because of Joe Bloggs. Trust me, I was on standby to go out there and then got stood down as it wasn't in the countries interests apparently. But now all of a sudden, the public want us to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted June 26, 2015 Author Share Posted June 26, 2015 Whilst I hear what you are saying and agree in part, technically what you have said is not quite correct. Cameron lost the vote in Parliament about going to war against Syria. It was never considered at the time that IS was as he was saying invading chunks of Syria. Not saying it would have changed anything as I think the vote would have still gone the same way, but it would have been much easier to deal with a common enemy then. Like Saddam and Gadaffi, Assad and his Ba'ath party were seen as pure evil and the reasons he gave for doing what he was doing at the time were dismissed out of hand. Sadly, it looks like he was telling it pretty much how it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Although these incidents represent the very worst of human nature, it is reassuring that during this chaos that some of our best qualities are also displayed. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-33290181 A proper hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Horrifying stuff we are due to fly out there next week to think if it was a week later it could have been me, seeing what the travel agent can do about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 You would hope that they would willingly change your holiday or offer a refund, this is the second such incident in Tunisia in 6 months. Apparently the majority of the victims were British http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33297440 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The noises coming out of Turkey over the last few years have been disturbing. By the sounds of it the ruling class are abandoning their proud history of relative liberalism is favour of ever further religious conservatism. And I have even heard from a few sources that IS forces cross the Turkish-Syrian border regularly and unchallenged. Not sure about the rest of Turkey - however havent noticed any such "change" in Istanbul. If anything I find it very modern, liberal and progressive - a super city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Technically wrong. Our government wanted to go in a few years back and sort it out. The general public cried. Everyone was warned about this, we had plans in place, the public cried, social media went nuts. Well tough $#@!, this is the outcome. I've been saying it for years, let the governments run the country and run the wars, let the stupid arse f**king sheep pay their bills. This could of been sorted after it started! As terrible as all these atrocities are, I do no not want any soldier to go across and fight. People had their chance and they messed it up. We shouldn't be meddling with things that we don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Massey Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 We shouldn't be meddling with things that we don't understand. We understand it well. They are terrorists, killing innocent people. They need stoping Simple as that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 No, it's only racist when it comes out of a white blokes mouth.... Racist..!! Long time since I was in Tunisia, but the thought of being relaxed on a beach, out in the open with my kids, makes you a really soft target. These guys are real cowards and need to be dealt with. How many more innocent people are going to be killed without a chance to defend themselves. Heard recently about ISIS apparently kidnapping people from Turkish beaches, not seen anything in the press to substantiate the claims though. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 We understand it well. They are terrorists, killing innocent people. They need stoping Simple as that Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abz Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Horrifying stuff we are due to fly out there next week to think if it was a week later it could have been me, seeing what the travel agent can do about it. You would hope that they would willingly change your holiday or offer a refund, this is the second such incident in Tunisia in 6 months. Apparently the majority of the victims were British http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33297440 Mike - Request a change due to what has happened out there, it is too soon to go out. All my sisters went there just before the first attack by a couple of weeks, they stayed near by too. They are Muslim but seeing as that is the main target of ISIS it was the most worrying thing. Such a shame as Tunisia is a lovely place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 They gave us a full refund Abz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Where will you go, Turkey, Ukraine, Syria, Paris, Kuwait or Bognor Regis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Where will you go, Turkey, Ukraine, Syria, Paris, Kuwait or Bognor Regis? +1 for Bognor/Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havard Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Where will you go, Turkey, Ukraine, Syria, Paris, Kuwait or Bognor Regis? We are going to Scotland in a couple of weeks. Even ISIS is not daft enough to bring religious war to Scotland. H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Midges are good for something then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 We understand it well. They are terrorists, killing innocent people. They need stoping Simple as that Not sure whether it is arrogance or naivety, whatever it is - certainly has NOT delivered any notable positive and peaceful results for the past 25 years. As Einstein once said - "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Not sure about the rest of Turkey - however havent noticed any such "change" in Istanbul. If anything I find it very modern, liberal and progressive - a super city. http://dailysignal.com/2015/06/09/turkish-voters-rebuke-authoritarian-pro-islamist-party/ http://www.newsweek.com/2014/12/26/erdogan-launches-sunni-islamist-revival-turkish-schools-292237.html The first one briefly summarizes some of the issues I was referring to, the second demonstrating what is very disturbing behavior for a country that was once a champion of secularism and liberalism. Hopefully the recent election is a move in the right direction, but Erdogan is still the most influential force in their politics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Not sure about the rest of Turkey - however havent noticed any such "change" in Istanbul. If anything I find it very modern, liberal and progressive - a super city. And I've just seen this: riot-police-fire-water-cannon-and-rubber-pellets-at-gay-pride-revellers Sadly I fear that Turkeys fate is the same as other countries in the region, namely backwards and intolerant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 And I've just seen this: riot-police-fire-water-cannon-and-rubber-pellets-at-gay-pride-revellers hardly surprising - baby steps - all 3 of the monolithic religions denounce homosexuality in their books - it will take some time for Turkey (which is genuinely liberal compared to other islamic countries) to get used to gay pride. How did gay pride fair in Qatar, Dubai, Saudi & Kuwait, Nigeria, Arizona or any of the other southern US states? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_jza80 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I could understand it if there were some form of protest by the locals, but the Police attacking them for nothing other than being gay (which isn't a crime in Turkey) is a disturbing development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.