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Agree with most of what you said.

 

I will also add that one of the other reasons why the UK is attractive is due to the Empire, these people have grown up with the belief that our country is a great nation of the modern era, which tbh it is.

 

And those of them who think it is okay to abuse lorry drivers, cut the sides of their wagons open with knives, and attempt to live here through these underhand methods are simply incompatible with UK society.

 

Another comment to add to your above statement would be, that these illegals are looking for employment, most employers are however legal - so lets not pretend that our society is whiter than white. Demand and Supply......in that order.

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I will also add that one of the other reasons why the UK is attractive is due to the Empire, these people have grown up with the belief that our country is a great nation of the modern era, which tbh it is.

 

This is a very good point. It's worth remembering why these people think Britain is so great. It's because it is, and has been for recent (living) memory. The fact that we've taken it upon ourselves NOT to wash our hands of all this shows exactly what separates us from the likes of the French and other EU nations. It's also one reason I think we should ditch Europe and go it alone again. We're good at it :)

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Another comment to add to your above statement would be, that these illegals are looking for employment, most employers are however legal - so lets not pretend that our society is whiter than white. Demand and Supply......in that order.

 

:thumbs: It was only a month ago that a local nail salon was closed down by the Border Force because they were 'employing' illegals. By employing I mean slavery, these poor girls had been trafficked from South East Asia, and were sleeping on the staircase in the back of the shop. :(

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Good post j_jza80,

The only part in which I would disagree is the 'blame' aspect. I do blame them in as much as we have a civilized system of immigration in which one should apply through documentation giving one's identity details and background etc.

These illegals are intentionally flouting the system with what looks like encouragement from the French authorities. Using criminal activities that are in the main going unpunished.

These are most definitely not the type of people who should be let through any port and they are doing themselves no favour by their continual raiding of HGVs and arrogance of British sovereignty.

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With what ive seen on television news last night, a simple way of stopping them boarding the trailers put a lock on the rear doors of the trailer so they cannot open them ...i know they will try and get ii through the curtainside but ita a lot harder to open a curtain and climb in and hide whist its moving ...parked up is another story though, i must admit its a nightmare that needs sorting our goverment needs to stop pussy footing around and do something

 

 

Cheers

-Ian-

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You do have to see the irony in the situation though, particulary with comments like 'send them to Australia like we used to' (I know that one was tongue in cheek Imi :)) It wasn't that long ago that the English were spreading worldwide, taking (by force usually) the land and resources from indigenous populations...

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With what ive seen on television news last night, a simple way of stopping them boarding the trailers put a lock on the rear doors of the trailer so they cannot open them ...i know they will try and get ii through the curtainside but ita a lot harder to open a curtain and climb in and hide whist its moving ...parked up is another story though, i must admit its a nightmare that needs sorting our goverment needs to stop pussy footing around and do something

 

 

Cheers

-Ian-

 

The doors are locked with padlocks

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You do have to see the irony in the situation though, particulary with comments like 'send them to Australia like we used to' (I know that one was tongue in cheek Imi :)) It wasn't that long ago that the English were spreading worldwide, taking (by force usually) the land and resources from indigenous populations...

 

Actually that was a long time ago.

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They are illegals, what benefits are you talking about??? would help if you get your facts right :rolleyes:

 

Tell you what I,m talking about . They come here illegally , in a lot of cases already have friends or family here , then they just get their benefits papers from any of the many side street immigration centres sited around all major uk cities. Now before you get on your soap box , you can get counterfit docs from lots and lots of places it just remains how much you pay for said docs . Normally the higher the price the better the quality . Present those docs to the relevant benefits agency and etc etc .

Hope this clarifies my point , or do think there no such thing , theres nothing such as counterfit scams, and all illegals get a legal full time job and pay into the British tax system on their arrival in the UK . Don't think so pal .

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Tell you what I,m talking about . They come here illegally , in a lot of cases already have friends or family here , then they just get their benefits papers from any of the many side street immigration centres sited around all major uk cities. Now before you get on your soap box , you can get counterfit docs from lots and lots of places it just remains how much you pay for said docs . Normally the higher the price the better the quality . Present those docs to the relevant benefits agency and etc etc .

Hope this clarifies my point , or do think there no such thing , theres nothing such as counterfit scams, and all illegals get a legal full time job and pay into the British tax system on their arrival in the UK . Don't think so pal .

 

Where did you read that? Or is that another one of your unfounded generalisations?

 

As for counterfeit documents - that wouldn't surprise me, look at the number of scam educational institutions that got setup during the labour's era siphoning in people under the guise of students.

 

and that is my point - lets not just pass the blame over to these illegals - we as a society need to take up some of the responsibility of the system both legit and not that we have created.

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You do have to see the irony in the situation though, particulary with comments like 'send them to Australia like we used to' (I know that one was tongue in cheek Imi :)) It wasn't that long ago that the English were spreading worldwide, taking (by force usually) the land and resources from indigenous populations...

 

Classic case of do as I say and not as I do....

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First of all let me put you straight on a point you made . I am good a mate of a Somali guy that came here 6 years ago in a lorry . He bought all the documents needed to be here along with his NI card , from a scam artist in London . He now works here and pays his tax and is now married with 2 kids and a council flat . But of course you know me so well you make sweeping statements like " unfounded generalisations " about my point, that I think is by no means unfounded , or a generalisation .

Secondly , at what point are we the British nation partly responsible for these illegals breaking into a lorry , smashing lorry windows when the driver refuses to stop , as I have witnessed, a driver being fined £2000 for these people hiding on his lorry without his knowledge . And as far as I,m concerned we make laws in Britain for all who live here to abide to , I think you will find these illegals DONT live here and if our country looks attractive to those on the outside then that's our fault also . The points you have tried to make just don't stand up . To quote yourself " get your facts right " before assuming anything .

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I am good a mate of a Somali guy that came here 6 years ago in a lorry . He bought all the documents needed to be here along with his NI card , from a scam artist in London .

 

Have you reported him? If not then as far as I am concerned, you are part of the problem. Its each and everyones responsibility to report on any and all illegal activity.

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Have you reported him? If not then as far as I am concerned, you are part of the problem. Its each and everyones responsibility to report on any and all illegal activity.

 

Pathetic answer , you seem to relish in quoting peoples responsibilities . Is it not your responsibility to write sense ..... obviously NOT !!!!

So unless you can conjure up a worthwhile reason to continue this dialogue let it go ...... your interjection to my original response thread was uncalled for in the manner you wrote it. I,ve read some of the threads you get yourself involved with and it just seems to me you like to try and provoke argument , IN THIS CASE YOU FAILED . Don't bother responding to this thread as I will not add anything more .

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http://img.pandawhale.com/100884-Anchorman-boy-that-escalated-q-W6OY.gif

 

;)

 

Regarding the paying out of benefits to illegals, well basically the state doesn't allow/promote people to starve on the street, so any illegal is entitled to apply for shelter and food hand outs which is of course payed by the taxpayer and/or charities.

The NHS is also 'open' for any first step medical care that any individual requires as an emergency or illness.

If there are pregnant women or children involved then the state goes to 'level 2' and aims to provide private accommodation and further welfare provisions.

Then there is the legal aid and processing costs to house those that are detained and wish to claim asylum or are waiting for their return papers back to their home country.

If they totally slip through the system then they start work on the black market and avoid paying tax along with taking up a job position that could have been given to a legal citizen.

 

All is a massive and avoidable cost if proper border controls were in place and effective means of removal back to their originating country.

 

But on IMI's defense I have to agree fully that if you are aware of an illegal person within the UK then it should have been reported, if not, then you are indeed a contributor to the wider problems.

 

Watching on the news I have full sympathy with the HGV drivers as the french authorities basically ignore their duties to uphold both French and EU law and order.

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Thanks Wez - unfortunately some in our society are quick to pass the blame onto others (in this case the illegals, the Govt, the french, blah blah) and feel that they can absolve themselves from all and any responsibility; it can never being their fault - they certainly have no part to play. :blink:

 

Look on the bright side - one more chum added to the list :)

 

On another note - these events will no doubt contribute in the future referendum as to whether we stay in or out.

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