Calais - British Border control

[AJI]

Is it only me or is the simple solution to stop the mass illegal immigration attempts in to the UK at Calais, is to simply scan every truck that goes through the port?

(Thus removing every attempted illegal entry and placing them into French custody).

 

Obviously there will be additional time and queuing, but if you remove the 'chance' element of getting caught or getting through, then you solve the problem straight away.

(In as far as UK Border control is concerned).

[Bobbeh]

The border in Calais is British.. so they'd go into British control.

[j_jza80]

The number of trucks that come through Calais every day would make that all but impossible.

 

Better to say to the migrants that if they are caught trying to enter the country illegally, they will be blacklisted and refused asylum under any circumstance.

 

There is also the question about why these people want to get into Britain, when they are already in a perfectly safe country? Smacks of economic migration rather than pure desperation. IMO France and Britain should be afforded special circumstances by the EU when it comes to these migrants, as our languages make us far more of a target than the other EU states.

[wile e coyote]

Well said

[Al Massey]

No we should get out of the EU so we can lock these illegal immigrants up before we deport them back to their original country.

[AJI]

The border in Calais is British.. so they'd go into British control.

 

British border control is in Calais yes, but wouldn't they be handed to the french authorities for 'processing' and removal if they are in France illegally?

[Bobbeh]

I dont think so, I mean once they're through the border we'd be responsible for them I'd imagine. They're already in France at the camp, and the French aren't removing them are they.

[Shane]

British border control is in Calais yes, but wouldn't they be handed to the french authorities for 'processing' and removal if they are in France illegally?

 

I don't think so because technically they are on British soil once they enter the border control area. Same as it become French soil in Folkstone as soon as you get through UK Passport control. Or at least I think that's how it works. Certainly there are clear demarkation points on both sides suggesting that.

[AJI]

The number of trucks that come through Calais every day would make that all but impossible.

 

Better to say to the migrants that if they are caught trying to enter the country illegally, they will be blacklisted and refused asylum under any circumstance.

 

There is also the question about why these people want to get into Britain, when they are already in a perfectly safe country? Smacks of economic migration rather than pure desperation. IMO France and Britain should be afforded special circumstances by the EU when it comes to these migrants, as our languages make us far more of a target than the other EU states.

 

A simple policy of having the container truck doors open for visual checks as they get to the border control and sniffer dogs, along with the usual CO2 and illegal contraband check through the scanner..... I'm sure with a few extra staff it could be made in to a 'smooth' process with delays yes, but better than having all these illegal entries that have to be dealt with once they are in the UK.

(It would also remove the large fines that HGVs receive when they are found to have illegals in their truck when they are checked in Dover).

 

Dunkirk would also receive more business as both ports would be able to divide the queues.

(I went through Dunkirk port only a few weeks ago on return from europe, and noticed the port was VERY quiet, the boat only being about a third full).

 

 

You last paragraph question is very significant though!

These are not people fleeing persecution or seeking asylum, as they will have found a perfectly safe country on their first entry to the EU.

They are indeed economic migrants seeking the benefits of Britain. But the system we have in place should be followed if they wish to enter the UK as such. Otherwise it is totally unfair on both those that do follow the system and also the existing tax paying citizens.

 

Its a total farce that the French are doing as little as possible and that the british border force is also not staffed enough to perform checks on every HGV passing through the port.

 

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I don't think so because technically they are on British soil once they enter the border control area. Same as it become French soil in Folkstone as soon as you get through UK Passport control. Or at least I think that's how it works. Certainly there are clear demarkation points on both sides suggesting that.

 

'British soil' once they PASS border control. Surely.

[imi]

send them to Australia like we used to

[Bobbeh]

send them to Australia like we used to

 

Who is them? lol

[Shane]

A simple policy of having the container truck doors open for visual checks as they get to the border control and sniffer dogs, along with the usual CO2 and illegal contraband check through the scanner..... I'm sure with a few extra staff it could be made in to a 'smooth' process with delays yes, but better than having all these illegal entries that have to be dealt with once they are in the UK.

(It would also remove the large fines that HGVs receive when they are found to have illegals in their truck when they are checked in Dover).

 

Dunkirk would also receive more business as both ports would be able to divide the queues.

(I went through Dunkirk port only a few weeks ago on return from europe, and noticed the port was VERY quiet, the boat only being about a third full).

 

 

You last paragraph question is very significant though!

These are not people fleeing persecution or seeking asylum, as they will have found a perfectly safe country on their first entry to the EU.

They are indeed economic migrants seeking the benefits of Britain. But the system we have in place should be followed if they wish to enter the UK as such. Otherwise it is totally unfair on both those that do follow the system and also the existing tax paying citizens.

 

Its a total farce that the French are doing as little as possible and that the british border force is also not staffed enough to perform checks on every HGV passing through the port.

 

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'British soil' once they PASS border control. Surely.

 

Yes, very valid point with the emphasis on pass.

[Abz]

send them to Australia like we used to

 

 

We currently have no deterrent in place, if we did then it would reduce this issue. Although I understand scans etc would slow down the process... nothing is stopping us from setting up several scan stations, say 30 booths and checking all the lorries as they come through. Anyone captured has bio data taken and blacklisted from ever entering the UK, they are then passed over to the French authority, which means if they are caught they will never be allowed into the UK to seek asylum.

 

By ignoring the problem we are achieving nothing, we billions into the EU it is about time we get some use out of it.

[Nick]

Bring the border back to the UK and give the border agency machine guns until we can leave the EU and brick up the tunnel.

[David P]

The French are trying hard to have our border control moved back to the UK, which by default means that even if we catch them, they are already here!

[Thorin]

I was appalled at footage on the news last night of truck drivers getting attacked over on the Calais side if they tried to prevent migrants getting on board their trucks. It seems the French authorities aren't doing anything, and see it as a British problem.

[mellonman]

im very sure france dont want them Just as much as we do , surely the only way to stop them is to not have anything for them to want to come here for, maybe stopping all benifits to any for imergrants ?

 

is there a real solution to someone trying to better there life by moving conties , wouldnt you?

is it racist not wanting them here because there from another contry ?

[Nick]

They could destroy the camps with water cannons every night and arrest and deport anyone that doesn't have the right to be in the country. I have no sympathy what so ever. They're economic migrants, those that have fled war should have tried to claim asylum in the first country they arrived in.

[lewysdanny]

I use British ports 3 - 6 times a year , last time through Dunkirque 9 days ago( returning from Le man 24) . I am an HGV and have driven all over Europe with my work over the last 30 years , having shipped out of every port in Brittain to the Euro mainland at various times . This is a political problem that should have been addressed 15 years ago when these immigrants first started coming ashore at Lampadusa.

So unless these immigrants are stopped and returned to where they originally sailed from this problem for Italy , Greece , France , Germany , and ourselves will only continue except at a more rapid rate , to which we will have no control whatsoever .

Make no mistake if our benefits system is allowed to be given to all and sundry that show up at a point of entry , we will be reeling financially now, for many years to come .

Last thing to need to get off my chest is , you MUST admire FRANCE . Their outlook towards these immigrants are -----if you want to come to France , welcome.But you will not receive any benefits . You will not get any form of accommodation from the French government . You will not be given a job .So unless you are prepared to work legally and pay taxes etc, etc. We do not owe a life style or living to anyone that is not going to work for it and pay their way in life , and even then THIS IS AN ISLAND how many more can we cram on this piece of land that we call Great Brittain ? RANT FINISHED !!!!!

[Chris Wilson]

Australia seems to have reduced the attempts to enter their sovereignty very successfully, we should model our system on theirs. Young fit men, in designer clothes, with mobile phones are not my idea of desperate people in abject poverty. Of course, if we made our country totally unappealing economically to this dodgy riff-raff, the situation wouldn't be occurring in the first place. They seem to find France not much to their taste. And I don't see Russia or the Balkans as being flavour of the month to them. On a purely selfish note I don't want UK bound foodstuff trucks being shared by these so called desperate people, or my parcels being trampled on by them. Your intercoolers may be amongst them That bloody tunnel has been a cause of angst, in my opinion. I'd dynamite it tomorrow myself. I feel for the truck drivers, and can see why the French feel we are to blame to a large degree.

[Tyson]

Launch air strikes against the camps for training purposes ?

[imi]

Australia seems to have reduced the attempts to enter their sovereignty very successfully, we should model our system on theirs. Young fit men, in designer clothes, with mobile phones are not my idea of desperate people in abject poverty. Of course, if we made our country totally unappealing economically to this dodgy riff-raff, the situation wouldn't be occurring in the first place. They seem to find France not much to their taste. And I don't see Russia or the Balkans as being flavour of the month to them. On a purely selfish note I don't want UK bound foodstuff trucks being shared by these so called desperate people, or my parcels being trampled on by them. Your intercoolers may be amongst them That bloody tunnel has been a cause of angst, in my opinion. I'd dynamite it tomorrow myself. I feel for the truck drivers, and can see why the French feel we are to blame to a large degree.

 

Would be surprised if any of these young guys are claiming asylum - once they enter the country they will merge into the black economy - cash in hand jobs like most plumbers, builders....and several others or end up in your local chinese (with their nationality, perhaps afghani, pakistani, indian or persian - as an example these illegals are rife in several areas in London - doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them and yet immigration control don't do enough once they are in the country.

 

As for Australia - plenty much we can learn from them, however they certainly don't have a channel tunnel to deal with - that makes a significant difference. Assuming we arm our border control with the appropriate powers to remove + the right number of resources - expect that cost to be passed back down to us (personally, I would be happy to pay additional tax if required).

[imi]

Make no mistake if our benefits system is allowed to be given to all a

 

 

They are illegals, what benefits are you talking about??? would help if you get your facts right

[Abz]

They are illegals, what benefits are you talking about??? would help if you get your facts right

 

illegal benefits innit

[j_jza80]

They are illegals, what benefits are you talking about??? would help if you get your facts right

 

To be fair to Lewysdanny, the right wing media (The Mail and the Daily express particularly) try and make out that all immigrants, legal or not, come here for benefits. This is simply not true, and in fact the amount we pay to foreign nationals in benefits is negligible in the grand scheme of things.

 

The reason that Britain in particular is targeted is because:

 

- We speak the most widely spoken language in the world. English is commonly used in most countries in one way or another.

- Our culture is advertised around the world through the media, films, news, TV etc.

- We are a relatively prosperous nation. Most of these migrants have few opportunities at home.

- We are a soft touch. If they are fortunate they will be granted asylum and gain all the benefits of British citizenship. Worst case scenario they end up in jail, which is likely a safer and more comfortable environment than their home country.

- They can earn a lot of money working here compared to back home. Even illegally.

 

I don't actually blame them, especially those who have families back at home who they are trying to support. The problem is that we can not support everyone who wants to come here to better themselves. We don't have the space, and we don''t have the funds. Those who work here legally for minimum wage take more out of the system than they put in, which is unsustainable. Those who work illegally contribute to crime, and are a burden on our already overstretched Police and Border forces.

 

And those of them who think it is okay to abuse lorry drivers, cut the sides of their wagons open with knives, and attempt to live here through these underhand methods are simply incompatible with UK society.