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Hard cold startup after fitting OEM induction pipework. ECU related?


alxns7

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I'm having cold startup issues after changing the intercooler pipework on the car. Basically the car had a FMIC, HKS SSQV. I have replaced most of the parts so the engine bay looks OEM again. Only the boost controller is still on. I haven't touched any of the vacuum lines other than the boost controller ones.

 

The FMIC is now replaced by the OEM pipework and a CW intercooler, and the HKS BOV by the stock bypass valve.

 

Symptoms are, the car cranks and will sometimes fire (but not enough so that it starts). To start it I need to press the pedal. It looks to me that the engine isn't getting any fuel unless the throttle is open.

 

The car has an Apexi SAFC fitted, and a custom FCD. I believe it works like the HKS FCD, but I'm not sure. I think the TPS isn't the issue as the SAFC shows a throttle opening of 0% when closed. The SAFC was reinitialized before the first startup, unfortunately I didn't write the previous settings down, maybe should have.

 

After startup the car idles without any big problem, though the RPM get higher as it warms up (from 800 to 1100 RPM). Once warm the idle fluctuates by a few RPM around 1100, but nothing alarming.

 

Could the custom FCD be the problem? The car is EU spec so has the MAF meter. We've tried different sensor settings on the SAFC without any noticeable difference. It used to start right up before.

 

I have a CW FCD ready to be installed, perhaps this will solve the issue.

 

Any hint would be much appreciated! Thanks

Alex

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It's probably too much fuel. Opening the throttle lets the engine get enough air in to burn the overfuel. Removing the FCD and the SAFC from the wiring loom entirely would probably be a good start, but you could also try adding or removing fuel with the SAFC at low RPMs to see if that affects the cold start. Try taking out 10% to 20% airflow signal with it, see if that gets it going :)

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If it's too much fuel, I should see black smoke coming out right after it fires up shouldn't I? I will check whether it's the case, might have not seen it.

 

I really want to avoid changing the SAFC parameters :) I think I will remove it at some point, although I like the monitoring feature.

 

I also read it could be a faulty coolant temp sensor, maybe its connector moved when the work was done.

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Ah, so you did, if it's mine that's fitted it won't be that ;) I must read all the messages more closely, sorry.

 

I have seen some other FCD's fitted in the signal wire from the air flow meter, and I do not like that method of fuel cut elimination. Be sure to fit my FCD in the MAP sensor signal wire!

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I'm sure yours is not the problem because I actually haven't got time to fit it yet! :D

 

The custom FCD from the previous owner is still on it, I believe it works like the HKS ones, which I read could alter the idle settings. The previous owner assured me it's fitted to the MAP sensor. I will let you know next time I check the wiring around the ECU.

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Ok so after investigating... it turns out it's a Zener diode setup.

customBCCdiagram.png

 

Does that make any sense? The Zener diode would let flow the current over 3.9V and by pass the MAP signal. We'll see tomorrow if removing the diode solves the cold start issue, but I doubt it. Is there a way to test the diode with a simple multimeter? A first test showed the flow wasn't getting through in any direction.

 

Anyway, I think we will have to check the rest of the wiring as it seems other stuff has been done!

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Next I would remove the FCD and try it, then, if that doesn't help, bypass the SAFC. Go back to no mods to the fuelling until you find the issue. having to open the throttle to cold start suggest too rich a mixture (probably...). Could also be leaky injectors, or a faulty ECU water temp sensor or connection. You didn't disturb either of the two ground terminals to the plenum lower regio did you? Does the engine management warning work on key on, engine off?

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Yes the engine fault light works (first fix we did actually, dry solder joint).

 

Alright so tomorrow:

-start without the zener diode

-check engine faults. I believe there is a test mode that allows to check the circuits from scratch, I mean without having to drive the car first?

-check ground terminals. Honestly very possible they have corrosion.

-bypass the SAFC

 

Temp sensor should be ok. The gauge works (it's the same signal yeah?) and the connector is in place.

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The gauge sensor has one wire to it, the ecu water temp sensor has 2 wires to it, and they are totally independent of one another, but located physically close together on a TT.

 

Clear any old codes by disconnecting the battery for 10 minutes, run engine for a while and drive car, use a paper clip to see if fresh codes are stored.

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Thanks for that info, I might have checked the wrong one. The more I read the more I think it should be a faulty coolant temp sensor. We'll look closer to it. We did flush the cooling circuit many times, including flush/cleaning additive. It was VERY rusty. Could the flushes have caused a faulty sensor?

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I am sure it's possible without removing the top hose, but why not just pop the top hose off it it makes access easier? Toyota can supply termination repair kits, a metal terminal on a short or medium length piece of wire, ready crimped. Just solder to the cut leads to the sensor and put heat shrink tube over the solder joints. I may even have a temp sensor shell in stock, but I won't have the wire ended terminal repair things.

 

 

 

Coolant Temp Sensor connector shell: 90980-11062

 

Wire repair leads with terminals (one wire, you probably need 2 of these) : 82998-12620

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Right I guess losing a bit of coolant isn't too bad :rolleyes:

Can't we use the old connector to repair the wires? Or once locked it stays in position? Not that expensive anyway, but man these terminal repair wires are!

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Ok, a little misunderstanding with my brother, it turns out the sensor does NOT have any connectivity. The wires were torn out of the plug.

I ordered new connector and wires, almost sure this should fix the problem. Thanks for your help Chris!

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  • 4 weeks later...

OK so I got to work on the car this weekend, the two temperature sensors were fucked, torn appart, male and female connectors GLUED together. Now why would somebody do this instead of ordering new parts !

 

Anyway, that's exactly what I did !

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OK so I got to work on the car this weekend, the two temperature sensors were fucked, torn appart, male and female connectors GLUED together. Now why would somebody do this instead of ordering new parts !

 

Anyway, that's exactly what I did !

 

Happens more often than you think. I've just fitted a polished water neck and had to order the gauge temp sender plug.

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