Jellybean Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Was advised today to put a dry sump in the car if I am going to keep it What is the purpose or advantage of a dry sump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Do you race or drag your Supra? if not I really cannot see why that would be recommended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Do you race or drag your Supra? if not I really cannot see why that would be recommended. I dont Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Under-car clearance and the prevention of oil surge/starvation are the real benefits I would've thought. The former might apply to you, as it would to half of what is on the road anyway, but the latter certainly isn't a concern. Seems an odd recommendation, truth be told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Have you asked then why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jellybean Posted March 31, 2015 Author Share Posted March 31, 2015 Under-car clearance and the prevention of oil surge/starvation are the real benefits I would've thought. The former might apply to you, as it would to half of what is on the road anyway, but the latter certainly isn't a concern. Seems an odd recommendation, truth be told. You probably know Dave Walsh ,Damien, he's a whore for the racing in Mondello ; he just said it to me yesterday, because he was talking about Tom Ford's Supra that won time attack in 08 and said he has a dry sump setup on her, mentioned to me it would be a good thing to get one on mine if I plan on keeping it I do not see the point myself so taught I would just ask here incase I was missig something I was asking him who he would recommend to work on the car, car is down with my mechanic a month now and the front suspension is only installed , I am waiting a year for him to rebuild the diff , getting fairly fed up, he works out of Daves place and Dave has to put a subframe and engine back in the Volvo so thats on the ramp till next week, mine wont get touched till at least then to do the rear subframe bushes on mine as you will need a ramp to do it Dave recommended Ian Byrne in CarTork , talking to Dave he sounds like he knows his stuff, spent his time in Japan with Toyota and Nissan, specialist in the 300ZX , had a Supra back when they first came out and drives a SW20 MR2 in rally cross A nice guy to boot! Sounds like the Irish Chris Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Unless you track the car and do repeated runs up the mountain at caldwell park or eau rouge at spa I can't see the benefit to you as the stock setup is perfect for road use and light track work. If the car is very very low and you keep hitting the oil pan on stuff then that would be the only reason I would think. My old track car & Si and James car on here are always on track and none of them have dry sump setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodalmighty Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 A shallow big wing with a gated baffle cage would be a lot cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) As others have said a dry sump is only really for track/drag cars where the g force, lateral or longitudinal is high enough to pull the oil away from the pickup in the stock sump. or lowering the engine to keep the COG as low as possible, Dry sumps afaik dont really save on weight as you still need to have a oil reservoir, then there is the actual pump, lines etc which will all add up. That said there are other solutions over having a dry sump such as the Accusump system which uses a reserve of oil to feed the oil pump in the event the oil in the sump gets pulled away from the pickup. This is a cheaper cost (not £4k) however the units are pretty large. Dry sump kits do look sexy as though.. Edited March 31, 2015 by ManwithSupra (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 As others have said a dry sump is only really for track/drag cars where the g force, lateral or longitudinal is high enough to pull the oil away from the pickup in the stock sump. or lowering the engine to keep the COG as low as possible, Dry sumps afaik dont really save on weight as you still need to have a oil reservoir, then there is the actual pump, lines etc which will all add up. That said there are other solutions over having a dry sump such as the Accusump system which uses a reserve of oil to feed the oil pump in the event the oil in the sump gets pulled away from the pickup. This is a cheaper cost (not £4k) however the units are pretty large. Dry sump kits do look sexy as though.. http://i42.tinypic.com/igkiro.jpg Interested in what you will be doing with yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Interested in what you will be doing with yours? I'm in two minds at the moment. I may give the cheaper option a try first (Accusump) I cant justify another £4k after spending what I have on the car in the last couple of months lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 I have a good Accusump I'd sell They work fine and can be adapted to pre oil, too. If you do a new dry sump set up with a decent sump, pump, mount, tensioner system and decent plumbing and oil tank for 4K you are doing very well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 Ah really Chris, how much for the Accusump and what model is it, does it have the EPC Valve? Titan do a dry sump kit which works out around £3.2k shipped (with import fees etc) OK you still need to add a couple of bits which would make it around £3.8-4k..ish what do you think of the quality? http://www.titanmotorsports.com/2jz-dry-sump-kit.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wez Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If I recall the Whifbitz TA cars were running Accusump, maybe it was just Steves when they changed over to the other series and were running slicks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 If I recall the Whifbitz TA cars were running Accusump, maybe it was just Steves when they changed over to the other series and were running slicks. Yup correct, steves. I asked if he still had it around a year or go but he had sold it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 It has a manual valve, and is big, I got it for my Skyline but never used it. Will get you a photo in the next couple of days. The kit looks American, heavy, OTT and of dubious quality. Why a five stage pump? And why such a heavy looking thing? The Scandinavians do some nice pumps. If you don't have surge issues and you don't want to try and lower the engine and box in the chassis why nail on complexity and a lot of extra weight? The performance gains, HP wise, will be negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 It has a manual valve, and is big, I got it for my Skyline but never used it. Will get you a photo in the next couple of days. The kit looks American, heavy, OTT and of dubious quality. Why a five stage pump? And why such a heavy looking thing? The Scandinavians do some nice pumps. If you don't have surge issues and you don't want to try and lower the engine and box in the chassis why nail on complexity and a lot of extra weight? The performance gains, HP wise, will be negligible. A Picture would be great thanks, would need to get the EPC Valve on it if I decide to purchase, I like the idea of the preoil when the ignition is switched on rather than doing it manually. My engine is already 2" lower than the standard engine, I dont think I can get it any lower unless I had some custom mounts made Not to mention the box is already nearer the ground than the V160 due to its design and I dont really want that to get a whack from the ground. Accusump will probably be more than enough to be honest, its just finding a place for it to go, I am running out of room believe it or not haha. Interesting thoughts on that Titan kit, out of interest if you were to make a dry sump kit what would you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 http://www.autoverdi.com/pump.html Especially if it wasn't my money I was spending But all that looks clumsy compared to an engine designed to be dry sumped. http://www.chriswilson.tv/mugen/mugen.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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