ripped_fear Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Hello again everyone, sorry for the influx of threads started by me recently. I'm out of my knowledge area and looking for some guidance. I'm currently hitting the mechanical side of my car and looking into turbo routes. I'm a little short on cash so had decided to put this off for another year, BUT a used kit has popped up meaning I could accumulate the bits slowly, and this is do-able The turbo kit I have been offered includes the following- - Master power t61 hybrid t3 divided port vband output turbo (master power used garret components and core ) - Manifold - Wastegate with plumbed in screamer - Downpipe - HKS piggy back ecu -Potentially a rebuilt engine if I want it to Been offered it for a decent price in my mind but no idea how much the remaining buts would cost. If anyone could share there opinions on the turbo, and rough pricing on the additional parts needed that would be great. Im guessing I would need, clutch, drilled sump, injectors, lines for the turbo etc Edited March 18, 2015 by ripped_fear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martincoupe Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 full kit is £2000 for good stuff so minus the price u have and u wil l know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supraleeturbo Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What about oil lines, injectors, afr gauge, boost controller I'd have a look on the site that sell the kits and that would give you an idea but if it comes close to the 3k mark you might aswell get a gte lump and get that fitted as that with a w58 will go nicely matey :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ripped_fear Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Decision is made Im going NA-t I know TT is a cheaper route (On paper) but its what i have decided and I have my reasons. I'm simply looking for advice RE the turbo. Injectors boost controller and gauges are simple things so they arent a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 full kit is £2000 for good stuff so minus the price u have and u wil l know Could you stop the txt spk please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I've never heard of Master Power, which makes me suspicious to start with. A T61 should be good for 500bhp or so, though. Should be somewhere around full boost before 4,000rpm. Personally I'd steer clear of piggyback ECUs (signal fudgers) through bad experience. Up to you, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich.2211 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think Scott with the white TRD fronted Supra whose been NA-T for years now (and it gets driven hard on various trip including European ventures) runs a Master Power turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Look at a TT conversion instead bud. It'll cost less to do, it'll be infinitely more reliable and easier to look after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackyBoi Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 As above, a TT conversion is the route to go dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich.2211 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Not to be rude guys as I'm sure your input is appreciated but Jake did post this above... Decision is made Im going NA-t I know TT is a cheaper route (On paper) but its what i have decided and I have my reasons. I'm simply looking for advice RE the turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 The reasons are valid as Jake has explained to me before. I would speak to Dr Jekyll he has done a fair number of N/A-T conversions. If you have got time to sit and wait for parts to come up then maybe look at what comes in the Whifbitz kit and then slowly collect all those parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bieber Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 As someone who has done NA-TT, I wouldn't go down that route again, as you are totally at the mercy of the engine and turbos you buy. Good luck with the conversion Jake, i'll be picking your brain when I come to go NA-T! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc183 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Jake, I think Lee may have something in the pipeline for an NA-T kit from SRD too. This is only if he see's demand for the kit though. I am going NA-T too in the near future. I think the one thing a lot of the big NA-T guys over in the states tend to do is delete the distributor and go COP setup. This is to create more room for the turbo and upgrade the ignition for tuning. Also an FFIM helps out with cooler air temp without flowing over the engine. Also just to mention the best manifold I've seen out for NA-T at the moment is the Sound Performance F1 Manifold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Rebuilding your engine could you make it stronger? So you can go.bigger turbo more power more tunning? But like said above have a look at the kits to get an idea for bits needed look forward to the build thread for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Jake what about the 1jz turbo conversion? Seems much more cost effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc183 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Rebuilding your engine could you make it stronger? So you can go.bigger turbo more power more tunning? But like said above have a look at the kits to get an idea for bits needed look forward to the build thread for this Yes! From my understanding the N/A block is completely the same as the GTE block just without oil squirter's. This means all aftermarket parts for the GTE i.e. Pistons, Rods etc will bolt right up. Also you'll want to upgrade headgasket too as the GE one raises compression but that's up to you what compression you want to run imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 (edited) So you can put a gte head on a ge block would this turn the ge into a gte? Justbas a different option to take? I read.last year in a artical with a guy that runs a orange drag supra. doesnt have sposors ect.and he uses GE blocks running in the 1000bhp marks. Edited March 19, 2015 by Hitbox Junkie (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 You could also use GTE pistons etc and the rods would make it a lot stronger. I believe the crank is the same but i could be wrong. Would be a cheap way of "building" the engine for anything up to 700hp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Check Mattison's build thread on here. He's built a 1000bhp GE engine It takes some tinkering but not a great deal to get yourself to the same capabilities as a GTE engine. Ignition to Coil packs, oil squirters for the piston crowns and a bit of work on the oil pickup/drain for the turbo has you pretty much there. Finding parts to bolt to the block however is not quite as easy, manifolds etc are a lot harder to come by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippyboyo1 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Just my opinion going na-t would spoil this car because you want your engine bay nice. Just throw the money at it and do it right with tt engine and go single at SRD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 You could just bypass the TT altogether by just getting the GTE long block and building the single separate from the car. That way you could have it ready to drop in. You would need an ECU and a loom, but the ECU would likely be required anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Or keep it an na. It's already one of the best cars on the forum regardless of what's under the hood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesc183 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Or Turbo what's already under the hood. Seriously the money you spend turbo'ing the NA will probably be far less than swapping to TT, going single, building engine etc. You've already got the base so go with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Or Turbo what's already under the hood. Seriously the money you spend turbo'ing the NA will probably be far less than swapping to TT, going single, building engine etc. You've already got the base so go with it. That all comes down to opinion and compromise. If you're a mechanic you can maybe get away with it. 4k-ish gets you a reliable 400hp drive in drive out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendo11 Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 I'd still leave it like it is. Probably the very best na around, keep it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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