Graham1984 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Scott, i love the way you think and actually put it into words, spot on buddy:D I also like the fact he's a sarcastic arse from up North Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Scott, i love the way you think and actually put it into words, spot on buddy:D I also like the fact he's a sarcastic arse from up North It's what I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitbox Junkie Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I use oil to cook bacon and eggs Too be honest personal preference to oils used branded or not. use what you know has worked for years gives you pease of mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumpbike Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 One important factor that no one seems to have mentioned is the temperature range. Anyone that tracks a car will know the oil very easily surpasses 100-110 degrees on a track and if you have no cooler then most semi-synthetic oils and standard synthetic ones break down around this temperature loosing their properties and basically start baking to everything. Expensive race type oils like Millers CFS and similar are stable to 130 degrees + so you can get away with out an oil cooler more safely or just have a good reliable safety net if you have a proper set up. If anyone has ever seen inside a more modern engine that has been on 'long life' service intervals with 'long life' oil (20k between changes) then you'd have worked out that the bull shit label on the bottle and the instructions in the book are just ink on paper. All the galleries are blocked up, cams wear because the feeds are all just blocked with crud. The oil still ruins the engine as any would if you don't change it at proper intervals so this above anything is the most important factor. Oil quality and ratings is all down to what your expecting from the engine if its pumping out more than stock power, also what you are using it for or simply peace of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bignum Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Thats what i said in post 19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Ian C: Well, for a brand that only does R&D and one that does all of the quoted, what one would be more expensive? Would it be the better brand because of the other pricey things? I don't really give a toss, and as Alex said, what is your point exactly? Use whatever oil you like, I'll use what I've been using for the last 10+ years and continue to have squeaky clean cams and galleries etc.. If you've got structured test data from multiple engines in controlled conditions during an extended double blind test then I'll be interested, everything else is personal opinion based on one oil and one engine. Like tyres and brake pads, I'd not push my choice of oil over any others of the same ilk because it isn't measurable by ordinary punters like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) I don't really give a toss, and as Alex said, what is your point exactly? Use whatever oil you like, I'll use what I've been using for the last 10+ years and continue to have squeaky clean cams and galleries etc.. If you've got structured test data from multiple engines in controlled conditions during an extended double blind test then I'll be interested, everything else is personal opinion based on one oil and one engine. Like tyres and brake pads, I'd not push my choice of oil over any others of the same ilk because it isn't measurable by ordinary punters like us. Are your teeth falling out? A new toothpaste could cure that. Even if they aren't, it might be worth changing over to the stuff I'm using just to guarantee they don't fall out. Edited January 15, 2015 by Scott (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanisLupus Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 One important factor that no one seems to have mentioned is the temperature range. Anyone that tracks a car will know the oil very easily surpasses 100-110 degrees on a track and if you have no cooler then most semi-synthetic oils and standard synthetic ones break down around this temperature loosing their properties and basically start baking to everything. Expensive race type oils like Millers CFS and similar are stable to 130 degrees + so you can get away with out an oil cooler more safely or just have a good reliable safety net if you have a proper set up. If anyone has ever seen inside a more modern engine that has been on 'long life' service intervals with 'long life' oil (20k between changes) then you'd have worked out that the bull shit label on the bottle and the instructions in the book are just ink on paper. All the galleries are blocked up, cams wear because the feeds are all just blocked with crud. The oil still ruins the engine as any would if you don't change it at proper intervals so this above anything is the most important factor. Oil quality and ratings is all down to what your expecting from the engine if its pumping out more than stock power, also what you are using it for or simply peace of mind. Your oil should be passing 100°C quite often to prevent water building up in the oil... That's why oil cooling should be built suiting to the use of the car. If you're just street driving it with few pulls a smaller oil cooler is okay if you track it a bigger or maybe even two oil coolers will have to do. There is no point in having the oil below 100°C and every oil will have no Problem with temperatures over 100°C. Fully synthetic and higher viscosity will just give you more headroom in conditions far over 100°C without loosing lubricating capabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I use toothpaste in my engine so it is clean on the exhaust and I gargle with cheap 10w50 before I go to bed to help me slip into a coma. I have some really expensive engine oil in 5L cans that I use to weight down the tarp over my car during the winter months. It said on the label that I should use this particular oil as it provides protection because it clings better, even at low temperatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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