Silece2k6 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Hi people. Now it's season end and my Sup want to Get a Singleturbo Im going to buy the Cxracing T76 Single Turbokit with all I need of the Exhaust Side right trough the Catback. First of all my plan is to make my Sup go back to life. I dont want a 600+ Project, just onlz make it run. If i can get some low boost and reach between 400-500hp with stock ecu and little upgraded fuel system, i would be very happy. Now my question is if you can give me some tips what i need, too? Im going to buy: Cxracing Turbo Kit AEM 320l/h pump Usdm 550ccm injectors incl. Resistor The car is my 95 Jspec 6Spd TwinTurbo in good conditions (engine) Compresions are fine about 12,5bar, no leaking or other issues. I already have: Greddy 4row Fmic AEM Wideband Greddy Profec B 2 Defi Advance Controll with Boost/Oiltemp-Press/Watertemp New sparks(bkr7eix) and coil plugs 3" Catback New oem clutch (previous owner) Changed all fluids (trans/diff/engine/brake) So any tips? Regards from Germany Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 My tip is up the budget and fit a proper mappable ecu. Even something fairly cheap like a basic Link. It'll never perform well on the stock ecu. As for the turbo kit I am not familiar with it, but if the turbo is of Taiwanese or Chinese origin I wouldn't buy it. I would only trust one of the big dedicated turbo manufacturer brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Guten Tag I have never heard of that turbo ... but if it is what it looks like in the description, a 76mm turbo is huge. To be honest, 400-500 bhp don't need a single turbo setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 if that t76 is in mm size turbo its going to be big and laggy 550 injectors dont really really give enough for 600 bhp and your fuel pump will be on its limit , as chris said you will need a mappable ecu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherjohn Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Think that's a monster turbo for required horse power and believe Injectors would be too small, also agree with Chris you would need aftermarket ecu, Lee at SRD has an AEM series 1 came out of my supra which is in good working condition if mapped as you have a manual car - that will be for sale sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 i will just add that sticking a single turbo on a supra is not always the best choice and could rewin the hole driving experiance for you , i think for dday to day driving i liked my car when it was bpu the best now im single turbo it puts a big smile on my face but not as great to drive around town Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 CXRacing Turbo Kit for 1993-2002 Toyota Supra MK4 with 2JZ-GTE Turbo Engine Bolt On Fit, CXRACING's NEWLY Released Turbo kit, Fully Tested. This is NOT an Universal Kit, it is completely developed from Ground Up, all parts fit perfectly. This kit is very simple and easy to install, almost don't need to relocate any other parts, Bolt on fitment. It is the best Solution to upgrade your Supra without doing major changes. Items Included: - 11 Gauge Thick Wall 304 Stainless Steel Manifold, Won't Crack. - New Manifold Design, Move Turbo Towards to the Front, Equal Length Top Mount T4. Offers More Room for WG and DP. - T76 0.81 AR P-trim Turbo, Support up to 700 HP, Quick Spool. - Comes with Single Oil Line kit (convert from Stock Twin T to Single Turbo) - 46mm V-band Wastegate, 8 PSI. - 3" Stainless Steel v-band Downpipe, Support Both Stock O2(a must for 2J) and After Market O2 Note:Intercooler and Intercooler Piping kit are NOT Included in this Auction. We do offer the complete kit, please check our other Website listings. Highlights of this kit: - Newly Developed and New Design, Bolts on fitment to MK4 - Big T76 Turbo - 11 Gauge SS Elbow Welded Manifold. - New external Wastegate provision. - 304 Stainless Steel - 3" V-Band Stainless Downpipe Taken off their website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silece2k6 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Hi and thy for fast reply. I thought You would say that I know a single upgrade without a programmable ecu is not the best way, but it should work! So that turbo is definitely to big. I would go to a garret gt35 or something else. And I'm going to get the "Kit" part for part by myself. Here in Germany I know someone who had a gt35 auto with oem fuel and ecu and it runs fine. In the middle of 2015 I would going to buy a AEM V2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98HT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 My advice for such a low hp goal: cast manifold, pt6265 / bw83-75, usdm injectors and afc. And btw it will perform perfect on a stock ecu. Stock driveability and reliability. People on this forum tend to go over the top for absolutely nothing. More fuel questions look here. http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?805042-Fuel-advice-for-550-whp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If by "nothing" you mean reliability, drivability, economy and just doing things correctly, then I am proud to say we go over the top. Within seconds of reading the drivel on the American site my patience was gone. I agree with your cast manifold suggestion, assuming it's one with enough land area around an adequately sized wastegate port. I am guessing you are an American from the "usdm injectors" comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The best would be to define your power goals and approx budget that you have in mind. As I said, you don't need a single turbo for 450 bhp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 People on this forum tend to go over the top for absolutely nothing. Bad comment ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'd rather have the peace of mind that I've got a car that can handle what I'm asking of it, personally. Over-engineering is a good thing! Doing a single conversion on the cheap never ends well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abtin90 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 If you have a goal of just 500bhp I'd save for a hks t04z kit minus the turbo and get a garret gt35 along with a decent ecu. Something like a hks fcon would be fine. But as always it's best to find a good tuner where you live and discuss your options with them. I wouldn't cheap out on a single build when you have a good set of twins running bpu. You'll run into a lot of problems, the car won't be as enjoyable to drive, and won't be anywhere near as reliable. Save and do it all at once if you going to go single. You have a great TT6 by the sounds of it I wouldn't ruin it with a cheap single build. If anything your car will loose its value that way. I'd much rather have a clean bpu tt6 than a 6 speed with a cheap single stuck on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98HT Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) Chris, don't take it as an insult, because it's not meant to be. Just by judging on the post from the OP, I'm pretty sure he is on a tight budget. That's why I suggest USDM injectors for a 400-500hp goal. They are cheap (just clean them if buying second hand) and are proven to work well, even on the j-specs. Just like a stock ecu with an afc works perfect. Like I said stock driveability and reliablity. I'm from Europe, not sure why that's important? Bad comment ! Like I said before, it's not meant as an insult. Just my opinion. I'm a fan to keep things simple. Like you said stock twins would be fine as well, but that might be pushing it... Edit: I know piggybacks and afc is like cursing on this forum. Guess nobody has good experience with them? Edited October 29, 2014 by 98HT (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Suggestions I've heard is, if you're going to run larger injectors, you will need to run a different ECU, such as a Syvecs or a Piggyback. My technical knowledge is 0 so am just regurgitating information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz6002 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Chris, don't take it as an insult, because it's not meant to be. Just by judging on the post from the OP, I'm pretty sure he is on a tight budget. That's why I suggest USDM injectors for a 400-500hp goal. They are cheap (just clean them if buying second hand) and are proven to work well, even on the j-specs. Just like a stock ecu with an afc works perfect. Like I said stock driveability and reliablity. I'm from Europe, not sure why that's important? We're just in the business of giving good advice, that's all. I'd imagine your reference to USDM injectors is confusing things, since we'd call them UK spec over here or EU spec in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silece2k6 Posted October 29, 2014 Author Share Posted October 29, 2014 Thank for all your knowledge. Please don't hassle each other! Well my twins are done, because of necessary axial and burning oil. And I know all you guys hate "cheap" turbokits (me included) But not everyone had the budget of thousands euro Well I think a standard top mount manifold with a garret gt35 and a safc will run fine :-) Included 550 "usdm" xD with a safc will run fine And Chris Wilson I recommed your info and thanks but... ...if something goes "whoops" because of cheap its my bad. Regards :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I would look at a nice second hand turbo mate ... 61 or 62mm. That will give you a superfast spooling setup. I think there is a FCON ecu for sale on the forum. Edited October 29, 2014 by Luxluc (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?314866-HKS-F-Con-Gold-3-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxluc Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?314727-Apexi-Power-FC-standalone-ECU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Whats your rough budget ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Edit: I know piggybacks and afc is like cursing on this forum. Guess nobody has good experience with them? I've had excellent results with the E-Manage series on my own and several other Supras for the last decade or so, but that's usually dismissed by those who've never used them or couldn't figure them out Can't say I'd agree that a stock ECU would run a single turbo at all well though, and that's based on all the datalogging and mapping I've done sorting out the E-Manages. For a start, simply going from 440cc to 550cc injectors without trimming the fuel means the car runs like a dog and stalls a lot. However I sense what you actually meant was "use a stock ECU combined with a piggyback" in which case I'd agree that can do the trick - with the right piggyback. An AFC is a bit meh, same as a MAP ECU, and you can't go beyond 550cc without problems. An EMB or better yet an EMU, and you're sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
98HT Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 ... However I sense what you actually meant was "use a stock ECU combined with a piggyback" in which case I'd agree that can do the trick - with the right piggyback. That's exactly what i meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mellonman Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) there was a guy from france done had a cheap turbo setup running stock ecu with afc , he got a misfire bore scoped his cylinders and his pistons where DET to peaces , so cheap build cost him £5k for an engine rebuild. Not so cheap then is it , on the piggy back side of things i have a single turbo auto and went with a fic 8 which was running my hybrids and still have it running my single after a remap , which has about 8 deg of timing pulled at 1.4 bar and i make 524bhp at 1.3 bar . as others have said you need to let your chosen mapper pick your ecu as this will save you alot of messing around as alot of mappers say they can do it but dont know all the tricks of all the ecu's just found the thread it was a mapecu 1 the guy had and car last 600 miles on stock ecu with just fuel corrected http://www.mkiv.co.uk/vbb/showthread.php?284075-knocking-and-warning-light&highlight=stock Edited October 30, 2014 by mellonman (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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