drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 After I installed my line lock kit I went to test it and nothing happened. When I put my foot hard on the brake and press the switch I can here the solenoid click and the switch lights up, but as soon as I take my foot off the brake to start the burnout, the car will start to move and not lock up. I've bled the brakes again since then and they seem fine, the only other thing is we never fitted the fuse when we installed the kit. Would that cause the problem of the brakes not locking up or does it lot matter cause the solenoid is still clicking to engage. I've even removed the abs fuse to see if that would help and it didn't help, just done the same as above and not lock up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 You still have to press the pedal. Dump the clutch and jump onto the brake. You need master cylinder pressure on the front brakes to keep them locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 You still have to press the pedal. Dump the clutch and jump onto the brake. You need master cylinder pressure on the front brakes to keep them locked. No you don't ben, you press down your brake pedal, then you press the line lock button and relese the foot brake and that activetes a valve thet will stop the brake fluid returning back to the master cylinder and keeps the front wheels locked while you do your burn out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guigsy Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 I've got one but never tested it. And I was also sure you did as drifty mcbear suggested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 No the way they should be plumbed in to work is definitely: Apply brakes, press button, release brake pedal, front brakes still locked because valve is closed & pressure can't disperse, spin up rears, press button again, pressure drops, front brakes release, car starts to move forward. They can be considered as a parking brake alternative. Looking at the side of the box mine is still in it does say that the product isn't suitable for cars with ABS, that may be more to do with the associated pipework than actually causing the ABS to go into meltdown when the lock is used. That might explain why removing the fuse didn't solve the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 I've got one but never tested it. And I was also sure you did as drifty mcbear suggested Is yours fitted? I've not had a chance to test mine cause when I try it, it doesn't work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 No the way they should be plumbed in to work is definitely: Apply brakes, press button, release brake pedal, front brakes still locked because valve is closed & pressure can't disperse, spin up rears, press button again, pressure drops, front brakes release, car starts to move forward. They can be considered as a parking brake alternative. Looking at the side of the box mine is still in it does say that the product isn't suitable for cars with ABS, that may be more to do with the associated pipework than actually causing the ABS to go into meltdown when the lock is used. That might explain why removing the fuse didn't solve the problem. Lee has fitted the kit to various cars with abs and even he said it wouldn't cause the problem. We think it could be a buggered solenoid tbh. It clicks when you engage it and the brake pedal is solid once you take your foot off it, but still moves freely. Mine is plumbed in the correct way cause I checked mine against parry's and it's the exact same http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/usy6yguh.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/aqynune6.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Where in the system have you plumbed it? ABS should have no bearing on it if the brake fluid is trapped in the system under pressure. If the fluid is trapped, it can't release and re-apply the calipers as there should be a restriction in the line. I.e. If the fluid can't return from the caliper, the brake should stay locked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Where in the system have you plumbed it? ABS should have no bearing on it if the brake fluid is trapped in the system under pressure. If the fluid is trapped, it can't release and re-apply the calipers as there should be a restriction in the line. I.e. If the fluid can't return from the caliper, the brake should stay locked. The abs isn't the problem ben, I've already been through this with lee and parry. Mine is plumbed in the same as his and his works with abs. That's why we think it's a faulty solenoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Are your brakes OK? As in... do they stop well? If you're pressing on the brake, closing the solenoid and checking the brakes to find them still hard then it sounds like the solenoid is doing its job. If it wasn't, the brakes would feel exactly like they would with it off. However, sticky brake calipers would explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 My brakes are still stopping and working fine, that's the thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Sounds like operator error to me then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Sounds like operator error to me then Not really difficult to press the brake and then press a button.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Not really difficult to press the brake and then press a button.. Try pressing harder. As said.... if the brakes are solid when the solenoid is switched on.... then it's working. If they gradually go down... then it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Try pressing harder. As said.... if the brakes are solid when the solenoid is switched on.... then it's working. If they gradually go down... then it's not. I press the brake as far as it will go, engage the switch and hear the "click", take foot off and the pedal is solid. If i use both feet i can sometimes move the pedal down a little way and then get resistance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 That means it's working then. It's holding the pressure in the system. Try this..... Push the brake pedal down, initiate the solenoid, press the brake pedal down, turn off the solenoid, continue pressing the brake pedal down, turn on the solenoid. Then try it. It sounds like the brakes need looked at. If the above works then that confirms it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 That means it's working then. It's holding the pressure in the system. I am thinking about changing the lines over, just incase previous owner has done it before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 I am thinking about changing the lines over, just incase previous owner has done it before Is the solenoid aone way check? If it is... then that would make sense. I assumed Lee fitted it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 (edited) Is the solenoid aone way check? If it is... then that would make sense. I assumed Lee fitted it though. No lee didn't fit it, myself and another member fitted it a few months ago now. Hasn't bothered me to much untill recently. I have compared my solenoid plumbing to parry's (like i said before) and its exactly the same. Even lee has said its the exact same. When we fitted the kit we tested the car as it was up on the stands and the wheels locked fine and didn't move, since then i've had to change to UK spec fronts instead of my AP's (due to the bleed nipple incident), but the UK spec brakes were fitted by a garage and bleed proper It goes - Top braided line on Solenoid goes to master cylinder Bottom braided line on Solenoid goes to front brake line http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/usy6yguh.jpg http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/15/aqynune6.jpg Edited June 14, 2014 by drift_bear (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Looks OK. Give what I suggested a go and see if that works. Out of curiosity, can you push the car in neutral with it activated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Looks OK. Give what I suggested a go and see if that works. Out of curiosity, can you push the car in neutral with it activated? Will go give that a go shortly mate, i haven't tried the neutral thing, will try that to lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 Looking at that 1st picture again.... are your lines not the wrong way around? Should the top one not go to the brakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 I can push the car in neutral with it engaged and when I tried what you suggested, it still moved.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted June 14, 2014 Share Posted June 14, 2014 I can push the car in neutral with it engaged and when I tried what you suggested, it still moved.. Swap the lines round at the line lock, I'm pretty sure they are round the wrong way. Take kitchen roll out If it still doesn't work then the front brakes need looked at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_bear Posted June 14, 2014 Author Share Posted June 14, 2014 Looking at that 1st picture again.... are your lines not the wrong way around? Should the top one not go to the brakes? Not according to the instructions - 1. Use the two blue anodized plugs to plug up the two sides holes on the Hurst solenoid. Use teflon tape. 2. Install two #3 male to 10mm adapters to the top and bottom holes on the front of the Hurst solenoid using Teflon tape on these as well. 3. Mount the Hurst line/loc solenoid to the fender well. 4. There are two metal lines on the passenger side of the brake master cylinder, remove the rear one and bend it towards the intake manifold to point towards the front of the car. 5. Intall the #3 male adapter to the master cylinder, inserting the female side "IN," so that the male #3 end is facing out. ( DO NOT use teflon tape on this.) 6. Install the longer of the two steel braided lines with the 90 degree angle fitting mounted on the brake master cylinder pointing towards the front of the car, install the other end to the top of the two holes on the Hurst solenoid. (NO teflon tape.) 7. Install the remaining brake line to the bottom of the two holes on the Hurst solenoid, and the other end to the factory metal brake line that you removed from the master cylinder ( using the #3 male to brake line fitting.) (NO teflon tape.) 8. Bleed brakes. 9. Now Follow instructions provided by the Hurst Roll Control line/loc kit to wire up the switch inside of your car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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