Whitesupra95 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I don't mean to be rude, but were you born without lips? Lmao I know where you going with that but even if I didn't have lips air would still go through ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I have tested a fair few different brands: ETS GReddy 2row Blitz LM Spec Miami GT (SMIC) CW (SMIC) HKS Type R Stock SMIC To name a few, all on the same car, all running BPU, and as I stated, all ran better than the stock corroded Unit, but who figured right . I found all the FMIC units and SMIC unit suitable and worked well with the BPU setup, I will also mention though, that the car felt more responsive when I ducted the FMIC, and the difference between a CW unit and the Greddy FMIC was very noticeable. As I stated, at BPU either will work fine, but id rather stick to a CW SMIC, as it's been by far the best unit of the lot. Good info there, a measurement of iat's would have been good also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPG Posted May 17, 2014 Share Posted May 17, 2014 I certainly agree with you on the IAT's, and also a dyno reading would have also been a good idea. Pressure building on the rear of a SMIC is also eliminated by the vent in the wheel arch that Toyota designed to stop this build up, but also it send some air through to help with rotor cooling . Also, put a FMIC through a wind tunnel and see whether ducting makes a difference to flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) I certainly agree with you on the IAT's, and also a dyno reading would have also been a good idea. Pressure building on the rear of a SMIC is also eliminated by the vent in the wheel arch that Toyota designed to stop this build up, but also it send some air through to help with rotor cooling . Also, put a FMIC through a wind tunnel and see whether ducting makes a difference to flow. Yeah I knew there was vents there lol Would be good to get some solid info from proper tests. Thing is nobody really ducts a front mount, even on 1000bhp cars there just slapped on the front. For instance http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/06/09/gallery-1000hp-black-toyota-supra/?switch_theme=mobile&font_size=large Edited May 18, 2014 by Whitesupra95 (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 CW SMIC - best of all the Options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Yeah I knew there was vents there lol Would be good to get some solid info from proper tests. Thing is nobody really ducts a front mount, even on 1000bhp cars there just slapped on the front. For instance http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/06/09/gallery-1000hp-black-toyota-supra/?switch_theme=mobile&font_size=large sell your car and get the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 sell your car and get the bus. Emmmmm ok!!! Go to your nearest performance garage to get your horn fixed!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Thing is nobody really ducts a front mount, even on 1000bhp cars there just slapped on the front. For instance http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/06/09/gallery-1000hp-black-toyota-supra/?switch_theme=mobile&font_size=large It depends how the car is driven though. It could have 1000hp and an intercooler the size of a radiator. It'll be fine for idling and maybe one cold pull every couple of months.... but it's not going to stand up to being properly driven. Ducting makes a HUGE difference to intake temps. A car making 1000hp with no ducting will be reaching that figure with more difficulty than it would if it had proper ducting. To suggest that ducting doesn't make a difference is just ridiculous. I don't have ducting on my FMIC but I'm under no illusions that I wouldn't get a performance hike if I did. It's something I'll look into once up and running again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 I don't mean to be rude, but were you born without lips? This guys on the wind up. OP, I currently have a nice new CW SMIC fitted if you want a poke about at the next meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordy.r Posted May 18, 2014 Author Share Posted May 18, 2014 This guys on the wind up. OP, I currently have a nice new CW SMIC fitted if you want a poke about at the next meet. Yeah that would be great Marcus, thanks! And hopefully I will have my TT by then as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus GTE Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Yeah that would be great Marcus, thanks! And hopefully I will have my TT by then as well! No probs Gordy. Have you found a car then? In the meantime here is a look at the CW SMIC http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?304090-CW-SMIC-upgrade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagman Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 In short the Fmic will be better in recovery time , better output temps even with poor ducting , cheap core , Poor end tanks - due it's frontal area /size . - it's brute force vs finesse , force wins ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheefa Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 CW SMIC for the win. Toyota did all the hard work with the ducting already for you. Stick with the tried and tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 It depends how the car is driven though. It could have 1000hp and an intercooler the size of a radiator. It'll be fine for idling and maybe one cold pull every couple of months.... but it's not going to stand up to being properly driven. Ducting makes a HUGE difference to intake temps. A car making 1000hp with no ducting will be reaching that figure with more difficulty than it would if it had proper ducting. To suggest that ducting doesn't make a difference is just ridiculous. I don't have ducting on my FMIC but I'm under no illusions that I wouldn't get a performance hike if I did. It's something I'll look into once up and running again. I didn't say ducting wouldn't make a difference, I said the front mount is better than the side mount. It's not rocket science. I fully understand that ducting the front mount will make a difference but like I've said already, majority of big power cars have front mounts without ducting. Front mounts are tried and tested through out every range of cars. And I have said already that I agree that the smic will be ok for bpu. I said that in my first post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 CW SMIC for the win. Toyota did all the hard work with the ducting already for you. Stick with the tried and tested. Obviously some people believe they can know better than Toyota Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Obviously some people believe they can know better than Toyota That's a bit unfair. It's not as if Toyota built the car based on no budget. Everything in every car is about compromise so there are a lot of improvements that can be made to just about every car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imi Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 That's a bit unfair. It's not as if Toyota built the car based on no budget. Everything in every car is about compromise so there are a lot of improvements that can be made to just about every car. Very true. Not sure what their exact budget was for the mk4, wouldn't be surprised if the development cost wasn't short of USD30-40M - back then it was a race not just against Nissan but equally important a desperate need to establish themselves against the German and Italian makes. Still amazes me as to how over engineered and ahead of its time the mk4 actually is. Imi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny g Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Very true. Not sure what their exact budget was for the mk4, wouldn't be surprised if the development cost wasn't short of USD30-40M - back then it was a race not just against Nissan but equally important a desperate need to establish themselves against the German and Italian makes. Still amazes me as to how over engineered and ahead of its time the mk4 actually is. Imi This. A set of facelift lights with HID's, a nice set of subtle 18's and it still looks modern. 400bhp with a BPU upgrade still makes swift progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Very true. Not sure what their exact budget was for the mk4, wouldn't be surprised if the development cost wasn't short of USD30-40M - back then it was a race not just against Nissan but equally important a desperate need to establish themselves against the German and Italian makes. Still amazes me as to how over engineered and ahead of its time the mk4 actually is. Imi Indeed. The 90s in general was over engineered but in my experience, the 2JZ really is head and shoulders above most in the car industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 18, 2014 Share Posted May 18, 2014 Indeed. The 90s in general was over engineered but in my experience, the 2JZ really is head and shoulders above most in the car industry. Now that is true!!! Also the fact that most Japanese cars still don't look as old as European cars of the same era lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 This car was developed 20 years ago, were FMIC common in turbo cars back then? Maybe Mr T wanted to keep a clean look about the car and went for the SMIC route, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 This car was developed 20 years ago, were FMIC common in turbo cars back then? Maybe Mr T wanted to keep a clean look about the car and went for the SMIC route, who knows. I'm sorry but a lot of Japanese cars from that year run sidemounts and top mounts and I imagine it was more to do with having room for crash bars and aircon than anything else. Power compromised by safety. The only cars off the top of my head that get front mounts are evo's and skyline gtr (not gtst) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Bieber Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 I have a front mount, so automatically its the best. The best ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesupra95 Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 Oh but toyota invented the sidemount with ducting (apparently) so it's the best, even though majority of Japanese car company's that made turbo'd coupes done the same ha ha but like I said it's more to do with having crash bars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellis Posted May 19, 2014 Share Posted May 19, 2014 You're a selfish little man - you're depriving a village somewhere of an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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