Paul-90 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Right have everything put on, vacuum pipes connected as turbo smart say. Emanage plugged in that has the base map from whifbits and it is boost cutting. Anyone any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_jekyll Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 its just a base map mate youl want to stay well away from boost until its custom maped. my guess is the boost cut is left in place to prevent people bolting the kit on, melting the engine then complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzi Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Base map to get you to a dyno for proper tuning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-90 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 Its supposed to be be a proper map for the kit though. Paid extra for it too. May get it booked into get it mapped then if this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomo8568 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I thought that it was a full map to run the kit. Pm whiffbits see what they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_Whifbitz Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Is it over boosting ? Double check you pipe work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm pretty sure the map on the Emanage is supposed to be a base map to allow you to drive the car to the mapper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm pretty sure the map on the Emanage is supposed to be a base map to allow you to drive the car to the mapper. I think its meant to be more than that and that it just/perhaps needs a dyno session to optimise things.....what stops the boost rising on this kit a weak wastegate spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevins Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 Speaking to Paul would be the first thing to do. Before opening a thread . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris88 Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 I think its meant to be more than that and that it just/perhaps needs a dyno session to optimise things.....what stops the boost rising on this kit a weak wastegate spring? I also think it's more than just a map to get you to the tuners but the boost is limited just by the wastegate spring which should be set at 7 psi. The statement in the Whifbitz blurb looks like a standard caveat which they would be foolish to leave out. Question is "what boost pressure is it achieving at cut-out?". If it's more than 5 or 6 psi then maybe there's something wrong with the wastegate pipework or the spings in the wastegate need checking (AFAIK there should be only one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted April 28, 2014 Share Posted April 28, 2014 indeed and fwiw I don't think the guy is having ANY sort of pop but if he has been working all day (no idea!) and then got to fire it up and do a shake down test drive and it's boost cutting why not start a thread on here....but yes I'd advise a call to Whifbitz tomorrow too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich.2211 Posted April 29, 2014 Share Posted April 29, 2014 What boost is it making before it cuts? With just one of the wastegate springs mine makes 0.5 bar but with two wastegate springs it tries to make over 1.5 bar Hence I need a boost controller to now up the boost to circa 1 bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 I would only ever check an engine will fire up and run for a few minutes at fast idle, to check for leaks, before having a car on a dyno with a competent mapper present. I am not a believer in maps for X spec engines, driving "base map" cars ANYWHERE at all, and certainly not in attempting to create boost on a new build that isn't on a dyno with all the necessary readings being watched by a competent mapper. I am amazed how blase people are about running a new build without it being on a dyno with the mapper watching everything like a hawk. I have seen some real disasters by people "just driving it to the dyno", or "round the block". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Have you checked the map clamp voltages? If they are t set the ecu will see boost which it doesn't like, Secondly where is you map sensor tied into, is it t'd into the stock map sensor? What boost are you seeing at cut? The statement reads that they have a generic map on their emanage, but I would want it on a rolling road to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Have you checked there is even a map of any sort on the E-Manage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 That is also a very good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-90 Posted May 1, 2014 Author Share Posted May 1, 2014 Right after a bit more work it turned out to be the wastegate. It was taken off, dismantled, cleaned and rebuilt and now the boost is correct. As for the fueling issues the emanage does not have a map installed so i will hopefully get the map downloaded onto the emanage tomorrow and let you lot know how it drives. Out of curiousity has anyone else on here using the full whifbits turbo kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Right after a bit more work it turned out to be the wastegate. It was taken off, dismantled, cleaned and rebuilt and now the boost is correct. As for the fueling issues the emanage does not have a map installed so i will hopefully get the map downloaded onto the emanage tomorrow and let you lot know how it drives. Out of curiousity has anyone else on here using the full whifbits turbo kit? I will be using the majority of the kit, but not the SMIC, I have a standalone ECU and I'm running 650cc injectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich.2211 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Right after a bit more work it turned out to be the wastegate. It was taken off, dismantled, cleaned and rebuilt and now the boost is correct. As for the fueling issues the emanage does not have a map installed so i will hopefully get the map downloaded onto the emanage tomorrow and let you lot know how it drives. Out of curiousity has anyone else on here using the full whifbits turbo kit? I'm using the full kit with some extra additions such as low compression engine, EManage Ultimate, 650cc injectors, ACIS delete, air con delete, flexi fitted to downpipe, single O2 sensor conversion etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris88 Posted May 1, 2014 Share Posted May 1, 2014 Right after a bit more work it turned out to be the wastegate. It was taken off, dismantled, cleaned and rebuilt and now the boost is correct. As for the fueling issues the emanage does not have a map installed so i will hopefully get the map downloaded onto the emanage tomorrow and let you lot know how it drives. Out of curiousity has anyone else on here using the full whifbits turbo kit? Scary stuff. Brave man to consider doing anything other than tick-over to see if it runs when you know the eManage is not mapped to do the fueling. I will be using the full kit on stock compression. Additional parts to begin with will just be Wideband, Boost Controller and BOV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Style Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 I'll be running the kit with a standalone ECU, FMIC and 440cc injectors etc. Looking forward to the next few months! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 So your boosting without a map? Your brave, have you got a web O2 in there? I suspect not otherwise those numbers might scare you a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris88 Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 So your boosting without a map? Your brave, . Suicidal ............... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul-90 Posted May 4, 2014 Author Share Posted May 4, 2014 Dont worry was running air fuel ratios the whole time and never had a chance to lean out. Finally got everything sorted with the kit. Car runs well and with the map provided by whifbits fuels perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 Is it running a knock sensor feedback? There's more to a map than fuelling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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