Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I am getting more and more certain my 2nd gear synchro is going as selecting 2nd when moving is becoming a PITA at times, if I am not moving with the engine running all gears select fine. I was just wondering what the cost to fix it maybe just so I can get a rough idea what I maybe in for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_cbr Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 you checked the oil level at all ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 if you have a W58 it might just be cheaper to get a good second hand box if the synchro has gone that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I am getting more and more certain my 2nd gear synchro is going as selecting 2nd when moving is becoming a PITA at times, if I am not moving with the engine running all gears select fine. I was just wondering what the cost to fix it maybe just so I can get a rough idea what I maybe in for. W58 aren't you mate? I'm guessing you'd probably be better off buying another box, but then again I don't know how hard it is to rebuild the W58. Suppose its probably easier than the Getrag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 you checked the oil level at all ? Replaced 2 weeks ago, was a bit murky but seemed fine apparently. - - - Updated - - - W58 aren't you mate? I'm guessing you'd probably be better off buying another box, but then again I don't know how hard it is to rebuild the W58. Suppose its probably easier than the Getrag Ben suggested that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Replaced 2 weeks ago, was a bit murky but seemed fine apparently. - - - Updated - - - Ben suggested that too. What buy another one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 What buy another one? Yeah, he thinks it might be clutch related though so said it might be worth having a look at that first before getting too far ahead of myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, he thinks it might be clutch related though so said it might be worth having a look at that first before getting too far ahead of myself. He is the man that knows so I would trust him over me, tbh there's no harm having a look at the clutch first, especially if you where swapping boxes anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think I might just skip 2nd gear for a while until I have a look to see whats going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I think I might just skip 2nd gear for a while until I have a look to see whats going on. there's an N/A joke in the somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just get it in and the box out. We'll work it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 there's an N/A joke in the somewhere I could think of a million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just get it in and the box out. We'll work it out Good plan I could think of a million Ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_cbr Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 my w58 will be up for sale soon when I get my hands on a 6speed diff only got 75k on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 my w58 will be up for sale soon when I get my hands on a 6speed diff only got 75k on it Same as mine nearly which makes it annoying, any idea on what you would want for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_cbr Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 don't know yet I still got to get a clutch and a diff picking up fly wheel at next Basingstoke meet so may be a while before it come out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Try double-clutching when going from first to second, any trouble I've had with gearboxes, not bearing related, is usually reduced greatly just by selecting neutral briefly before the problem gear. It even worked for the remainder of a track day when third gear was floating around on the mainshaft of my own W58. With some kindly donated parts I rebuilt that with nothing special in the line of tools, just the mother of all bearing pullers for the strip down and a deep fat fryer to heat the gears & bearings for the rebuild. I still love the smell of hot gear oil in the morning! I can't imagine a six speed box offering anything in the way of additional rebuild issues, it's still just a conventional gearbox after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetrashcanman Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Try double-clutching when going from first to second, any trouble I've had with gearboxes, not bearing related, is usually reduced greatly just by selecting neutral briefly before the problem gear. It even worked for the remainder of a track day when third gear was floating around on the mainshaft of my own W58. With some kindly donated parts I rebuilt that with nothing special in the line of tools, just the mother of all bearing pullers for the strip down and a deep fat fryer to heat the gears & bearings for the rebuild. I still love the smell of hot gear oil in the morning! I can't imagine a six speed box offering anything in the way of additional rebuild issues, it's still just a conventional gearbox after all. Interesting that everyone I've spoken to says there a PITA to rebuild the 6 speeds that is, that includes LeeP, maybe its just sourcing parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Try double-clutching when going from first to second, any trouble I've had with gearboxes, not bearing related, is usually reduced greatly just by selecting neutral briefly before the problem gear. It even worked for the remainder of a track day when third gear was floating around on the mainshaft of my own W58. With some kindly donated parts I rebuilt that with nothing special in the line of tools, just the mother of all bearing pullers for the strip down and a deep fat fryer to heat the gears & bearings for the rebuild. I still love the smell of hot gear oil in the morning! I can't imagine a six speed box offering anything in the way of additional rebuild issues, it's still just a conventional gearbox after all. Thanks for that advice, I did see something similar mentioned on google when I was trying to find out what might be wrong, I use a similar method on the rare occasion reverse wont select Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedrosixfour Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Interesting that everyone I've spoken to says there a PITA to rebuild the 6 speeds that is, that includes LeeP, maybe its just sourcing parts Parts, the non standard service items, are probably ferociously expensive, couple that to the labour involved and I can see why many wouldn't look forward to undertaking the job for a paying customer. Unless there is something about the Getrag that makes it a complete bitch to work on. The W58 and the R154 are two boxes I had no problem getting intimate with, I plan to upgrade a few bits in the R154 whenever the mood takes me. I had planned to upgrade it prior to initial installation but decided to see how the box felt as standard first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjy Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Getrag's are a pain to work on and a pain to source bits for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supraleeturbo Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Pull it out stuff a 6speed in there then get a turbo the size of a washing machine drum bolt it on and drive sorted :-) or just let Ben stick his willy in there that normally sorts the problem from what he's told me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaan W Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Just upgrade to an auto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham1984 Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share Posted February 25, 2014 Just upgrade to an auto I would rather own a bus pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 You can get all the Getrag 6 speed parts from Toyota, It needs a lot of specialist service tools and you have to disassemble a lot to get anywhere past 5th gear but it's not black magic There's a parts list and instructions somewhere on here, I'm sure. The 6 speed boxes have a bushing that goes which can make getting 2nd gear difficult as the gearstick yoke moves too much. I don't know about the W58, but if it's a problem getting it into gear because the stick doesn't seem to be able to move far enough (rather than it grinding the gear) then this might be the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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