Tommyd16 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Is there a how to?? Still new to this engine. I reckon it has slipped. Car won't start has no spark. Been doing a lot of googling the last couple of days and just found something that has confirmed one of my suspicions. A little rattle noise I noticed the other day that I belive to be the washer that sits crank timing sprocket?? What's the best way to get to it what needs to come off so I can get to it. Take it off and get it welded? Cheers Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 You need to take the accessory belt off then the main crank pulley to access it, and to get it off you obviously need to remove the cam belt.. Its very unlikely to have slipped as it sits on a woodruff key if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyd16 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Sounds like a massive ball ache. I've read quite a lot on the Internet that it slips quite abit. Is 'keyed' together but can come apart and people often weld it back together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Suppose the star section could come apart from the drive section, but its pretty heavy duty. Have you pulled your error codes to see why its not sparking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyd16 Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yh that start bit was the price I was on about I think. Still new to this engine so still learning. No codes The only other thing could be ignitor or immobiliser on the clifford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It can come apart, as said you here to take crank pulley and timing cover off to get to it. Unless you have a bore scope then take the crank sensor out and have a look through the hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) If it is loose the ECU will almost certainly flag a fault code as it will still be seeing sensible cam position sensor readings. I see it has an alarm. I would, if it were my job to sort this, suspect add ons after the car was built, as a first step. Personally I won't have a car myself with an aftermarket alarm, they give a load of hassle. See where it's been spliced into the original loom on the ignition side and bypass the thing. I honestly think, unless you put zero value on your own time, it would be much more cost effective to have a pro look at it, and diagnose things in a more scientific manner. Edited February 19, 2014 by Chris Wilson (see edit history) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyd16 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Would the immobilser prevent it sparking though? I thought the immobilser prevents the starter cranking? Rang clifford anyway and the person didn't have a clue they just said we could try servicing it for £150 I also have it booked into a garage for Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In my experience an immobiliser allows it to turn over but not fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyd16 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 So it does sound like an immobilser fault preventing it from sparking then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooter Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If you take the spark plug cover off and loosen the plastic upper cam cover could you not (carefully and from the right cam side so avoiding the tensioner) use something to reach down inside the cambelt run to the timing star to check for looseness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 In my experience an immobiliser allows it to turn over but not fire. Some stop them cranking, most of the ones I see here seem to kill the ignition, as you say. They are all a total PITA in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee P Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Depends who fitted the Clifford, usually starter and ignition cut Could be one cut on the alarm gone down. More likely something else though, just bypass it quickly with done jumper cables to eliminate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommyd16 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Ok the car has started! Disconnected the battery for an hour or so (had already tried to reset the ecu the other day by removing the fuse) Rolled the car back a couple of feet. Also disconnected and reconnected the plugs under the auto gear selector just in case maybe it wasn't getting a good signal to say its in park. Reconnected the batt and it fired up :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 If it was on my job card here I would look at the igniter pack voltages and outputs first, then scope the crank trigger at the ecu, then, if there was a sensible pattern on cranking move on from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Ok the car has started! Disconnected the battery for an hour or so (had already tried to reset the ecu the other day by removing the fuse) Rolled the car back a couple of feet. Also disconnected and reconnected the plugs under the auto gear selector just in case maybe it wasn't getting a good signal to say its in park. Reconnected the batt and it fired up :s in that case I might consider the immobilser could be playing silly buggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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