LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Howdy, im thinking of replacing my shocks all round with something else Im currently running on CWs Bilsteins with unknown springs. Im also trying out new springs (Tanabe GF210 springs) When it comes to shocks the choice seems to be endless KYB, Bilsteins, Sachs, Koni, Spax etc etc. Im just wondering what yous lot are running on and what you think of them? Shocks that is. Cheers. Oh these are for fast A&B road driving (lots of twisties) so any advice would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleshead Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) I'm all about the twisties. HKS Hipermax III here. They're middle/stiff as far as stiffness is concerned, when compared to other brands, but can be pre-loaded to up the spring rate for track days etc... They have a huge adjustment range, something like 45 clicks as opposed to 15-20 on the HSD's. They're independently height adjustable as well, not adjusted via the spring perch. I believe Chris Wilson will also rebuild them like he does the Bilsteins. The two nicest riding supra's I have been in so far in order of preference. 1: Mine. 2: DaveP's with the CW Bilstein setup. IIRC; The only gripe Dave has had with the billies, is with the the snap ring groove, that sets the height adjustment. In that there are (I think) two to choose from, and neither suited his car/wheel and tyre combination, so he had to machine another groove. Everyone who has ridden in my car has commented on how nicely it rides also. One thing to consider though is that; Dave's car had all new Suspension Arms a few years ago, and mine are in brilliant condition due to the low mileage and easy Tokyo lifestyle ) Obviously for a track/race car there are better. However for the road the above choices aren't bad at all I've driven Supra's with, (So you can see this isn't an, "I have them so they're the best!", thing! ) -Bilstein -Stock -Tein: flex and superstreet -BC Racing -D2 -HSD Edited December 14, 2013 by TheTurtleshead (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Thanks James this is exactly the sort of info im looking for, I thought everyone would just say get Teins or BC racings..and I don't like either of them but they are coilovers sets Im attempting to build my own set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleshead Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Thanks James this is exactly the sort of info im looking for, I thought everyone would just say get Teins or BC racings..and I don't like either of them but they are coilovers sets Im attempting to build my own set up. Faulkner in the UK can make you springs in any ratings for reasonable money. They're good springs for road use. There are better out there but they will be more expensive. Maybe review the spring rating guide on here, order a couple of different sets from Faulkner and experiment. How old are the billies you have/when were they worked on by Mr.Wilson? Have you also seen the Gixxer-Drew suspension guide on supraforums? To build preload and thus height adjustable shocks from oem bilsteins? Edited December 14, 2013 by TheTurtleshead (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleshead Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Here we go: http://www.supraforums.com/forum/showthread.php?446817-The-gixxer_drew-suspension-thread..&highlight=gixxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleshead Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 To help you choose; http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?267488-Coilover-Spring-Rate-Register&highlight=Spring+rates Why that thread isn't a sticky I don't know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulj1 Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 KYB on Eibach lowering springs really impressed with them to be fair 4 way adjustment got them set on number 2 for every day use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Faulkner in the UK can make you springs in any ratings for reasonable money. They're good springs for road use. There are better out there but they will be more expensive. Maybe review the spring rating guide on here, order a couple of different sets from Faulkner and experiment. How old are the billies you have/when were they worked on by Mr.Wilson? Have you also seen the Gixxer-Drew suspension guide on supraforums? To build preload and thus height adjustable shocks from oem bilsteins? Awesome stuff mate cheers. My billies are showing signs of age with surface rust and I don't think they are Mr Wilsons springs going by the pics ive seen of his work, but the shocks have engraving on the with CW and a date which I cant recall.I bought them used and Ive had them on for 4/5 years. Edited December 14, 2013 by LOGIE (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I have nitrons on mine and I can't rate them enough. All specifically built for your car so if you have uprated stabilizers running wider tyres with bigger rims or any weight reduction this is all taken into account. They can build them specifically for the track or for the road the same as mine have been. The car is seriously planted on the road and give a lot of feed back and confidence to push hard easily the best setup I have had on any car. I have tryed Tein monoflex didn't think much of them. Have had billies on Tanabe lowering spring and that was terrible. The only thing about the nitrons is the price but worth every penny and can be fully rebuilt for the price of a new set of BC. If you can cope with the initial outlay you will have a great suspension then rebuild them for the price of BC's and still have a great suspension system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 I have nitrons on mine and I can't rate them enough. All specifically built for your car so if you have uprated stabilizers running wider tyres with bigger rims or any weight reduction this is all taken into account. They can build them specifically for the track or for the road the same as mine have been. The car is seriously planted on the road and give a lot of feed back and confidence to push hard easily the best setup I have had on any car. I have tryed Tein monoflex didn't think much of them. Have had billies on Tanabe lowering spring and that was terrible. The only thing about the nitrons is the price but worth every penny and can be fully rebuilt for the price of a new set of BC. If you can cope with the initial outlay you will have a great suspension then rebuild them for the price of BC's and still have a great suspension system.Thanks mate you got a link to these Nitrons mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcar Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 http://www.nitron.co.uk/Automotive/Toyota/Supra-Mk4 I have the R1 type as I think the R3 might be a bit over kill for the road they are more track car looking for the extra 10th of a second. They are UK based in Oxfordshire after sales is spot on aswell. If you want I can PM you what I payed for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 You already have an excellent set of shocks, get a set of springs from Chris and run with stock profile tyres and a U.K. spec front roll bar matches them well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) You already have an excellent set of shocks you wouldn't be saying that if you seen them mate. I am on stock 17's with correct profile mate. Edited December 14, 2013 by LOGIE (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Seeing is a coat of paint, do they work O.K? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Seeing is a coat of paint, do they work O.K? No knocks or anything mate just OLD!!! How much does Mr Wilson charge for just springs? anyone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 (edited) Email him and ask. What makes you think they're not Chris's springs you have now? Edited December 14, 2013 by David P (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Email him and ask. What makes you think there not Chris's springs you have now? Mine are a solid drive,very tight coil. Ive seen pics of CWs and they are very different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David P Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 A set of springs and a coat of paint shouldn't be too fiscally challenging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPG Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 I am considering Nitron's for the project car, really impressed with them on the M3, I am sure Paul Whiffin was running these at one point, or was that Steve Linton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 I am considering Nitron's for the project car, really impressed with them on the M3, I am sure Paul Whiffin was running these at one point, or was that Steve Linton Ive just found out the price of them... im out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPG Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Ive just found out the price of them... im out. I should explain, I am more than happy with the CW Suspension on Shiqwanda, it is perfect for the twisty stuff but also very liveable with for everyday life Logie , supply the tea and I will bring her round for you to test out the set-up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOGIE Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 I have CW bilsteins mate. Im considering getting his springs but im not sure it will be the right setup for me. Im just curious about other shocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safcdixon Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I have H & R adjustables on mine, they are great in the bends etc but are stupid stiff a feel spine sharrtering ride, so stay well clear if you like to be able to sit up streight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattP Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Stock VVTI TT springs over Aftermarket Ohlins Dampeners they are a very Smooth suspension set up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyson Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 To help you choose; http://www.mkivsupra.net/vbb/showthread.php?267488-Coilover-Spring-Rate-Register&highlight=Spring+rates Why that thread isn't a sticky I don't know! Sorted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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