supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Ok guys so here is the problem... As you can see from the photos, one wheel is pointing slightly out while the car is pointing straight. I didn't notice this when I bought the car from a forum member because it was running 17inch wheels and big tyres. Anyway now we can't get the front bumper on because the passenger wheel won't turn as it hits the bumper. As you can see there is no room for the 19 wheel to turn. We have stripped the car down and there is no evidence of any impact/crash damage. Can anyone help determine what it is ??? Wishbone looks fine and a local garage have said there would be no point in getting tracking done do I'm a bit stuck Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Sorry about the pictures, I loaded them up properly but they ended up on their side ?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattdavies Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Aggressive offset and wrong tyre size / tyre profile on a 19 should be 30 profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Bought them from a members soarer and were told they would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManwithSupra Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) Is your steering wheel central or have you made one wheel flush to the bodywork by turning the wheel? If you have then its Just the Toe out on the Geo. Both wheels will have a little amount of toe out (or toe in depending on setup) therefore if you make one wheel straight to the bodywork the other will appear vastly out in relation to the bodywork and of course the other wheel. If the steering wheel is central then get it over to a Geo place as at some point as the toe out on that side has been either adjusted wrong or its hit a kerb and now needs adjusting. When adjusting it they will make sure your steering wheel is central and then will adjust the Toe so its close to even both sides. The rubbing will be down to the fact of the wheel offset and Tyre profile choice as already mentioned. Edited November 26, 2013 by ManwithSupra (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) Wheel looks too far forward to me compared to my photos with 19" wheels. Put a tape measure down each side and measure the wheelbase or get it on a 4 wheel laser alignment Post a photo of the other side square on Edited November 26, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Is your steering wheel central or have you made one wheel flush to the bodywork by turning the wheel? If you have then its Just the Toe out on the Geo. Both wheels will have a little amount of toe out (or toe in depending on setup) therefore if you make one wheel straight to the bodywork the other will appear vastly out in relation to the bodywork and of course the other wheel. If the steering wheel is central then get it over to a Geo place as at some point as the toe out on that side has been either adjusted wrong or its hit a kerb and now needs adjusting. When adjusting it they will make sure your steering wheel is central and then will adjust the Toe so its close to even both sides. The rubbing will be down to the fact of the wheel offset and Tyre profile choice as already mentioned. Thanks for the advice. So what can I do once the get is done ?? I quite like those wheels tbh. Will changing the front tires to a 30 profile allow the wheel to turn ?? - - - Updated - - - I do have spacers on to clear the UK spec brakes too. 25ml front and rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra_ufo Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Thanks for the advice. So what can I do once the get is done ?? I quite like those wheels tbh. Will changing the front tires to a 30 profile allow the wheel to turn ?? - - - Updated - - - I do have spacers on to clear the UK spec brakes too. 25ml front and rear. 30 profile 19" tyres will cost you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbt Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 As dnk said it all looks a bit tight and low I run 19's with fronts 245/35/19 and rears 275/30/19 and don't have any issues Got to say your ride height looks low - what suspension do you have fitted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) Look at my photo, my car was pretty low on 19's and the wheel is still pretty central in the wheel arch, where yours isn't. It could be down to your set up having too much positive caster which could be down to several things, bent upper wishbone, bent lower wishbone, wrong adjustment on the lower wishbone eccentric adjuster for the caster or even a bent hub I don't think there's enough positive adjustment on the eccentric caster adjuster to let you do this but i could be wrong. Edited November 26, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 As dnk said it all looks a bit tight and low I run 19's with fronts 245/35/19 and rears 275/30/19 and don't have any issues Got to say your ride height looks low - what suspension do you have fitted? They are tein mono flex and are set to the highest setting lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Look at my photo, my car was pretty low on 19's and the wheel is still pretty central in the wheel arch, where yours isn't. It could be down to your set up having too much positive caster which could be down to several things, bent upper wishbone, bent lower wishbone, wrong adjustment on the lower wishbone eccentric adjuster for the caster or even a bent hub I don't think there's enough positive adjustment on the eccentric caster adjuster to let you do this but i could be wrong. So would you say get the tracking done and go from there ? Surely those guys would spot the problem a mile off?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 So would you say get the tracking done and go from there ? Surely those guys would spot the problem a mile off?? I'd get it on a 4 wheel laser alignment, whats the drivers side like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 ok so this is the best picture and only picture I have until I can take some more. If I remember this side had more space Inbetween the wheel and front bumper than the passenger side. It's annoying !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Look at the photo of my car and compare it yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 I see what your saying fella. If you compare driver and passenger side the passenger is actually worse ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy442 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 The toe out could be a track rod out of adjustment but as Dunc said, that front wheel position does not look right at all. Alignment check is the first thing you should do. Then get rid of the silly 19s and put sensible wheels on lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 Ok that's first port of call, keep you guys updated as soon as I get the results. Thanks for your time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaz2010 Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Off subject but is that Paul's body shop down near fox hunters ? Looks familiar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supra joe Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Off subject but is that Paul's body shop down near fox hunters ? Looks familiar Yes it is, he's my pall. I work in there with him on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 That looks horribly wrong, it's way beyond an alignment issue surely, it's several centimeters too far forwards on both sides? Are the wishbones in the wrong way round or something mad? - - - Updated - - - That looks horribly wrong, it's way beyond an alignment issue surely, it's several centimeters too far forwards on both sides? Are the wishbones in the wrong way round or something mad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 (edited) I don't see how the lower wishbones could be fitted incorrectly. Like i said im not sure how much adjustment is on the caster eccentrics on the supra but recently on my Landcruiser i had a similar problem but with just one front wheel being about 15mm out compared to the other side which was down to the caster being fully adjusted the wrong way Seems funny its on both sides which kind of rules out anythings bent but its obviously wrong which you'd think will show up in a wheel alignment check It looks way out but if you moved the wheels back 15-20mm it wouldn't be far off putting the wheel in the center of the arch like it is on my car Edited November 27, 2013 by Dnk (see edit history) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Wilson Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Check it has the front top wishbones on the correct sides, they are handed. Not my cup of tea, I have to admit. 19 inch rims, spacers, wrong profile tyres, misaligned front bumper, ludicrously low. Not got much in its favor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Interested to see how this pans out, keep us posted Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dnk Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Check it has the front top wishbones on the correct sides, they are handed. Not my cup of tea, I have to admit. 19 inch rims, spacers, wrong profile tyres, misaligned front bumper, ludicrously low. Not got much in its favor Indeed they are which i'd forgot about which will obviously affect the caster, on the top of the arm its cast into it with an L or R which you can see in my photo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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